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Post #1 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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Bugatti246
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I agree. Areodynamics improve a car greatly.
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Post #2 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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LAMBOlover
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Why would they say that it outperforms the Acura NSX just because it has a .29Cd compared to Acuras .30. It may have a few better numbers but in no way does it come close to outperfoming the NSX. Do any of you agree with me or have i just completly humilated myself online.
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Post #3 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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Alpine
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"...and a very low aerodynamic drag. At 0.29Cd, the Elite even outperforms the 2002 Acura NSX which brags a Cd of .30"
It just means that it outperforms NSX in aerodynamic drag, ItŽs a very good figure because NSX is designed almost 40 years later.
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Post #4 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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sledehammerdude
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That doesn't even really matter until you are getting into highspeed. 115 isin't really a speed you need to worry about the drag at.
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Post #5 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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2002wrx
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they went over this though. . . it is specifically talking about just one area. . . but hell. . . i would take one of these before an nsx. . . these are cooler. . .and rarer. . .
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Post #6 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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MarkM91286
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This is true. The NSX dropped .02 Cd of drag with it's redesigning, and the top speed increased from 169 to 175 mph, without hopping the horsepower up. I read it in Motor Trend's test of the NSX. I never thought aerodynamics were a big deal up until then.
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Post #7 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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TownshipRebellion
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that's why a ferrari 360 modena can hit nearly 190 MPH with only 370 some odd horse power. best aerodynamics in the world!
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Post #8 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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maranello29
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Quote from TownshipRebellion
that's why a ferrari 360 modena can hit nearly 190 MPH with only 370 some odd horse power. best aerodynamics in the world!
(correct me if I'm wrong, btw)
The 360 Modena has good aerodynamics because it has a lot of downforce for stability. Downforce creates drag, though. I'd say the 360 can go 190 just because it's a Ferrari and that's what Ferraris do. I can't find the 360's Cd in my magazine articles but from what I know about downforce it creates drag.
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Post #9 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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fordracing
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Quote from maranello29
Quote from TownshipRebellion
that's why a ferrari 360 modena can hit nearly 190 MPH with only 370 some odd horse power. best aerodynamics in the world!
(correct me if I'm wrong, btw)
The 360 Modena has good aerodynamics because it has a lot of downforce for stability. Downforce creates drag, though. I'd say the 360 can go 190 just because it's a Ferrari and that's what Ferraris do. I can't find the 360's Cd in my magazine articles but from what I know about downforce it creates drag.
so if i put a ferrari emblem on my dads explorer, it will go 190? if i wear the ferrari/fila shoes will i go 190, just because its a ferrari?
Would anybody tell me if I was getting... stupider?
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Post #10 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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sparetire
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No, because the Explorer has a lot of drive line loss and the wrong gearing. The Ferrari has very little driveline loss and perfect gearing for top speed. Take it easy man.
And No, I don't think they at all meant to imply that this will take a NSX. They are just saying the drag is very low for a 63' anything. Keep in mind this is before computer models of shit like this and before the multimillion $ windtunnel setups we have now. All 2D desighn stuff. I am floored that there was a monoquoce car in 63. Thats tech found on race cars now, not cars avail to the public.
And drag is quite uninportant untill about 50 MPH for all but really poor aerodynamic vehicles. It gets exponentialy more important as Velocity increases though. Thats why you can have a 200 mph car, and up the power significantly, but only gain a few MPH in top speed.
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Post #11 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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86supra
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"And drag is quite uninportant untill about 50 MPH for all but really poor aerodynamic vehicles. It gets exponentialy more important as Velocity increases though. Thats why you can have a 200 mph car, and up the power significantly, but only gain a few MPH in top speed. "
Very true. Top speed in my car was around 135 and I upped the HP about 20 through some bolt-on mods to the powertrain. Got about 2.5 MPH speed increase. Did suspension mods, dropping front 1.5" and back 1". Picked up nearly 5 MPH. I have no idea what difference this made to the Cd, but performance of the car is proof enough to me.
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Post #12 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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TASwim05
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Sparetire, they could have very easily tested this in a windtunnel...hell, the Wright brothers used a windtunnel to design the first plane...that was around 1900, this was more than 60 years later.
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Post #13 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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BugattiFan
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Quote from fordracing
Quote from maranello29
Quote from TownshipRebellion
that's why a ferrari 360 modena can hit nearly 190 MPH with only 370 some odd horse power. best aerodynamics in the world!
(correct me if I'm wrong, btw)
The 360 Modena has good aerodynamics because it has a lot of downforce for stability. Downforce creates drag, though. I'd say the 360 can go 190 just because it's a Ferrari and that's what Ferraris do. I can't find the 360's Cd in my magazine articles but from what I know about downforce it creates drag.
so if i put a ferrari emblem on my dads explorer, it will go 190? if i wear the ferrari/fila shoes will i go 190, just because its a ferrari?
Umm.. if you put a ferrari logo on an explorer.. its still a ford explorer, it just has a ferrari stick slapped on it.. If you take the ferrari logo of the Modena and replaced it with a ford logo, it's still a Modena. It has to actually be a Ferrari, not just have the logo on it.
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Post #14 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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BrownDoggie
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Coefficient of drag is important, but changes in gearing make a much greater impact. To say that the fact that this car has an impact in anyway in car history, or that it is remotely historically significant, because it has a low drag coefficient is ludicrous. Without any power, it doesn't matter.
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Post #15 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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GoatBoy389
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Quote from sledehammerdude
That doesn't even really matter until you are getting into highspeed. 115 isin't really a speed you need to worry about the drag at.
Ahh But Alas, you are sadly mistaken my good friend. Aerodynamic drag can take place at 35 MPH, although it gets stronger with speed. at 115 MPH there is a good deal of drag. Even at 70!
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Post #16 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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Isbells300D
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Goatboy makes a good point. I've found that if I roll up the windows in my car, it increases the top speed from about 99mph to about 104mph, and if I can find someone else going those speeds to get behind, I can hit about 107. Drag does cause noticable differences at low speeds.
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Post #17 Fri, Aug 9, 11:17 PM |
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Lotec Gtr
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Of course its just aerodynamic that is better but outperform NSX om lets say Monza? Oh man LOL
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