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Post #1 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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pedern
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By the way! The Elite is fitted with a Spyder enginering (dont know if you have heard about it www.spyder.co.uk) frame in solid steel with double wishbones +++! I agree that a standard frame on these cars is not very good (aluminium plates) comparing to the Elise f.eks, but with the Spyder frame that was developed for racing and nothing else but racing, the lotus cars (fitted with a 4 nice fat slicks) is not the worst car around the track, acctualy is the opposite!
Have a nice weekend!
Greetings from Norway!
Ps. It's acctual fun to "chat" with you!
Happy owner of:
- BMW 325i M-Tech
- Lotus Elan S1
- Lotus Europa TwinCam (Fitted with a 220bhp cosworth engine)
- Soon to be finished Lotus Elan 26r
- Volvo S-60 T
- Subaru Impreza
- Ford Escort Mk1 TwinCam Works Car!
Graham Arnold R.I.P
http://home.broadpark.no/~dhnielse/
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Post #2 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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67ChevelleSS
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Post #3 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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venom800R
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italian looks
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Post #4 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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UndefinedSpeed
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Maybe that's true...it IS a very strange conspiracy! lol
I thought the stats were wrong myself.
We reflect our inner most selves by what we see beauty in.
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Post #5 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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maranelloboy
Supercar Messiah - 12490
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Style, my friend, style. Anyway, with the long hood, you could put a lambo V12 in there or something. Weighing in at 1/3 the weight of the Diablo, this thing would cruise.
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Post #6 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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NASDAQrob
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lotus is about handling. the marque has always gone for low weight as opposed to putting a huge cubic inch engine in a heavy car for speed (as you name suggests, you're a fan of the classic muscle car). in achieving a low curb weight, they are able to utilize a smaller powerplant to get comperable performance. if you threw in a heavy cast iron block V8 of the era (or even modern for that matter), the car would be rediculously nose-heavy and the handling would go to shit. putting a V12 in the car, even with its large engine bay, would ruin everything the lotus is about.
Nothing is static; everthing is evolving.
We've all been raised by television to believe that one day we'll all be millionaires and movie gods and rocks stars- but we won't.
This is your life. And is ending one minute at a time.
Moderation in all things... Nah.
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Post #7 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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Got Nitrous
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Lotus has always been known forhaving great handling cars. Maybe they should have supercharged the 4cyl.
Nitrous is good. Go get it!
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Post #8 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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pedern
Member - 343
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If you have seen a Elite with a 4cyl Coventry Climax engine with aprox. 135 hp on a racetrack, then you will understand that you don't need a supercharged v-12 or something like that!
Remember: A car that weights 700 kg and has 80 hp is much faster than a 1400 kg car fittet with a 160 bhp engine! It's pure fysics my friends! Thats the whole consept of the Lotus cars!
Happy owner of:
- BMW 325i M-Tech
- Lotus Elan S1
- Lotus Europa TwinCam (Fitted with a 220bhp cosworth engine)
- Soon to be finished Lotus Elan 26r
- Volvo S-60 T
- Subaru Impreza
- Ford Escort Mk1 TwinCam Works Car!
Graham Arnold R.I.P
http://home.broadpark.no/~dhnielse/
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Post #9 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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Mazda Mp3
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I like the way you put that.
1990 Linclon Towncar HO 5.0
480hp blow most 5.0 Stangs out of the water.On February 18 2002 this car died i rolled it 6 times and put it in a river:(
Now I have a 2001 Mazda Mp3 sweet car will out handle any thing in its class
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Post #10 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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BrownDoggie
Supercar Guru - 1265
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Typically uneducated defense of foreign engineering, no offense, my friends. A light car will be FASTER, but handling has less to do with weight than you suggest.
A 1963 Corvette, weighing in at just over a ton and sporting a 325-horse 327 Cast-Iron small block took this car in every forum. The Shelby Mustangs, racing on Cypress in '66 and '67, defeated the entire Lotus forum on the circle track.
With a multi-piece fiberglass form, something almost as important as weight is sacrificed: stability. Without a solid, more rigid body, exceptional handling is all but impossible. Even the formidable Z06 is almost all steel, only the front clip and hood are fiberglass. The Porsche is still a metal monster. These cars ouhandle lighter, faster, more fiberglass-endowed Italian supercar thanks, in part, to their more rigid, solid frames.
A lighter body is no substitution for a tighter, heavier suspension. And 80 horse power is 80 horse power - 700 Kg or not. My 400-lb F3 has more horsepower than that.
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Post #11 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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pedern
Member - 343
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If you can manage to say that a hevy car is much easyer to control around the track than a light car, please go somewhere else to post your thoughts! It's pure math and physics again my friend!
Sorry!
Happy owner of:
- BMW 325i M-Tech
- Lotus Elan S1
- Lotus Europa TwinCam (Fitted with a 220bhp cosworth engine)
- Soon to be finished Lotus Elan 26r
- Volvo S-60 T
- Subaru Impreza
- Ford Escort Mk1 TwinCam Works Car!
Graham Arnold R.I.P
http://home.broadpark.no/~dhnielse/
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Post #12 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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BrownDoggie
Supercar Guru - 1265
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How about reading my #$%#ing post? "It's pure math and physics." Funny, mother#$%#er. It's not the weight that counts, that's the point. Obviously you are the one who doesn't know what they're talking about - a stiffer chassis, as I was trying to explain in layman's terms, can more than compensate for extra weight. The Ford Lightning, a 4600 lb truck, pulls more g's on a skidpad than a 3000lb Corvette.
A heavier vehicle will also retain better traction - or did "math and physics" fail to tell you that? I tryed to explain to you - a heavier Corvette from the same year as this car DOES handle better around the track. Why don't YOU go somewhere else and post your shit before you make an ass out of yourself again.
Lighter = faster, you can't argue that. But handling - didn't I just point out that the heavy-as-lead Porsche handles better than Italian supercars 2/3 it's weight? Come on. But yeah, fiberglass is cool - and safe, too. It's much stronger than steel.
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Post #13 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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pedern
Member - 343
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Whatever! I've been racing in 25 years, and i build cars for a living, strange that I am so stupid about everything I say! This is a hopeless discussion, but I hope one day you can understand my piont of view! How long have you been racing ??
Happy owner of:
- BMW 325i M-Tech
- Lotus Elan S1
- Lotus Europa TwinCam (Fitted with a 220bhp cosworth engine)
- Soon to be finished Lotus Elan 26r
- Volvo S-60 T
- Subaru Impreza
- Ford Escort Mk1 TwinCam Works Car!
Graham Arnold R.I.P
http://home.broadpark.no/~dhnielse/
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Post #14 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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pedern
Member - 343
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And by the way! My Europa(aprox. 600 kg) is fitted with a 230 bhp BDG engine. How come a Ferarri F-40 couldent manage beating me around the track???? Strange? Nope!
Happy owner of:
- BMW 325i M-Tech
- Lotus Elan S1
- Lotus Europa TwinCam (Fitted with a 220bhp cosworth engine)
- Soon to be finished Lotus Elan 26r
- Volvo S-60 T
- Subaru Impreza
- Ford Escort Mk1 TwinCam Works Car!
Graham Arnold R.I.P
http://home.broadpark.no/~dhnielse/
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Post #15 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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pedern
Member - 343
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Happy owner of:
- BMW 325i M-Tech
- Lotus Elan S1
- Lotus Europa TwinCam (Fitted with a 220bhp cosworth engine)
- Soon to be finished Lotus Elan 26r
- Volvo S-60 T
- Subaru Impreza
- Ford Escort Mk1 TwinCam Works Car!
Graham Arnold R.I.P
http://home.broadpark.no/~dhnielse/
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Post #16 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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BrownDoggie
Supercar Guru - 1265
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25 Years!? Get off your mama's AOL account, you 13-year-old punk. I've been racing 5 years - yep, count 'em, 5 long years - and have built several engines and cars, helped on countless others.
Why does a 3100lb Z06 Vette outhandle - by massive amounts - IN EVERY CLASS - the much lighter, shorter, smaller S2000? A STIFFER CHASSIS. If you've been racing that long - and racers don't necessarily know SHIT about their cars, take that one from
experience - you know that a STIFFER, more SOLID chassis matters in cornering and handling - weight matters in ACCELERATION.
A heavier car has more difficulty changing direction - congratulations, you got a C in high school physics (if you're in high school yet). But a LIGHTER car has less TRACTION - that's right, a heavier car grabs the road better. ALWAYS. Wheelbase, suspension (which ADDS weight - 2003 Tiburon with heavier 5-point suspension handles better than the '02 with LIGHTER 4-point), chassis braces - these things help control the sutomobile. Weight plays a much smaller roll when it comes to this forum.
My Trans Am wieghs in at 4600lbs - and handles better than most cars produced in the 70's. Once again - the Z06 Vette and the 911GT2, two heavy sports cars, outhandle EVERY production Japanese, Italian or American car to date, regardless of weight. Now that you know this after your "25 years" of racing, you can take that info and maybe your 50-year-old ass can win some races. Punk.
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Post #17 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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pedern
Member - 343
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Have you thought about the break length? If you double the weight you more than double the breakelength! I can break much nearer to the turning point than you! I can see you have a lot of knowledge, but the most common mistake people youre age does is thinkig they are world champions! I am 45 years old and have got a lot of experience in this game! You say that a hevy car is faster around the racetrack than a light car:
- How come F1 cars is so light
- All the Lotus cars (F1, Rac +++ champions)is lo light
- All the Wrc cars is so ligt
Please help me! I must be stupid cuz i have not manage to figure it out in my 45 years in you oppinion!
Happy owner of:
- BMW 325i M-Tech
- Lotus Elan S1
- Lotus Europa TwinCam (Fitted with a 220bhp cosworth engine)
- Soon to be finished Lotus Elan 26r
- Volvo S-60 T
- Subaru Impreza
- Ford Escort Mk1 TwinCam Works Car!
Graham Arnold R.I.P
http://home.broadpark.no/~dhnielse/
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Post #18 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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BrownDoggie
Supercar Guru - 1265
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Granted - a lighter car can stop sooner, given equal braking methods. That's a given, no one is arguing there. Accelerating out of the corner, though, is equally important. And handling the corner itself has, as we have been discussing, little to do with the actual weight of the car.
Formula 1 race cars are 1200 lbs because they can accelerate better with a lighter frame - same as a top fuel dragster (which weighs about the same, actually). It would actually be more accurate to say that they weigh that much, not that little, because they are weighted at points to make them more stable around the track.
Everything you've said, my Norwegian friend, is fine ECCEPT that a lighter car will automatically corner better than a heavier car. Humvees handle fine (at 55 mph, where they top out) - they handle better than most passenger cars. They have a low center of gravity and all wheel drive. They also weigh over 10,000 lbs. They couldn't outhandle an F1 car at 180, obviously - but they can outhandle a Taurus at 55, weighing almost 3 times as much.
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Post #19 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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pedern
Member - 343
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Then we finaly agree! A vauxhall viva does not take a Volvo XC-90 because it's lighter! Many things counts! Frames, suspension, weight, tyres + + + + +!
What kind of class do you race? Historic, Standard cars ???
Happy owner of:
- BMW 325i M-Tech
- Lotus Elan S1
- Lotus Europa TwinCam (Fitted with a 220bhp cosworth engine)
- Soon to be finished Lotus Elan 26r
- Volvo S-60 T
- Subaru Impreza
- Ford Escort Mk1 TwinCam Works Car!
Graham Arnold R.I.P
http://home.broadpark.no/~dhnielse/
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Post #20 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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BrownDoggie
Supercar Guru - 1265
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I race a '66 Mustang in the ProStreet circuit, little bit of circle strack (sprint cars), but mostly on the street. It's huge over here.
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Post #21 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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pedern
Member - 343
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Ower here?? That means?
I race historic racing with my 63 Elan and my Eupropa!
Happy owner of:
- BMW 325i M-Tech
- Lotus Elan S1
- Lotus Europa TwinCam (Fitted with a 220bhp cosworth engine)
- Soon to be finished Lotus Elan 26r
- Volvo S-60 T
- Subaru Impreza
- Ford Escort Mk1 TwinCam Works Car!
Graham Arnold R.I.P
http://home.broadpark.no/~dhnielse/
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Post #22 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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BrownDoggie
Supercar Guru - 1265
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West Coast, Seattle, WA area. Huge street racing scene. Lots of money, girls, and fast cars. Almost as fun as the track.
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Post #23 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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pedern
Member - 343
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Just Like from the Movie "Fast and the Furius"?????
It sounds loke it!
Happy owner of:
- BMW 325i M-Tech
- Lotus Elan S1
- Lotus Europa TwinCam (Fitted with a 220bhp cosworth engine)
- Soon to be finished Lotus Elan 26r
- Volvo S-60 T
- Subaru Impreza
- Ford Escort Mk1 TwinCam Works Car!
Graham Arnold R.I.P
http://home.broadpark.no/~dhnielse/
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Post #24 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM |
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BrownDoggie
Supercar Guru - 1265
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Actually, yes. People even say I look like Vin Diesel. But money is rarely (although occasionally) put down, and there are crotch rockets, muscle cars, a few exotics and a lot of wanna be's to go with the ryce burners.
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Post #25 Tue, Aug 22, 12:57 PM |
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NeoGoatboy
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A lighter car will allow you to carry more speed into a corner. The Elites were fantastic cars and on a number of occations won their class at Le Mans. Apparently the later cars with 100BHP climax engines could manage 140MPH.
If you have ever read the Lotus book forwarded By Enzo Ferrari there is a great passage about the Lotus 23 rear engined GT car. It was on course to win the German 24 hours at the expense of both Ferrari and Porsche and that is why they were banned from Le Mans
The 340R tips the scale at some 600 kilos. On a track it wouldnÂt make much difference if you were in a Porsche 911 Turbo or the latest Ferrari. Their ass is grass, and the 340R is a lawn mover
The Austin Metro was a horrible car, improving little in its looks through 20-odd years until its production, by then as the Rover 100, ceased in 1997. There was however a time when, bored with the daily grind, the devil himself visited the Austin works and went all Blue Peter on the little hatchback. He decided to eliminate the weight by making it all out of cereal packets and sticky backed plastic. Then he took out the weedy engine and dropped in a 410bhp V6 where the back seats should be. A bit of widening here and some aerodynamic accoutrements there and the 6R4 was born. A flared, snarling demon that the man downstairs is proud to call his own.
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