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Post #1 Thu, Oct 7, 12:37 PM
CarreraGtRacer
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 I think so atleast I love this car!
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Post #2 Sat, Oct 16, 9:25 PM
CarreraGtRacer
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Quote from sl badboy
nah cars like the enzo and pagani are way better
apparently you don't know what your talking about
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Post #3 Thu, Oct 21, 7:45 AM
TylerDurden
Senior Member - 169

 Interesting, how purportedly "better" cars like the Pagani post lap times at the Nurburgring a full 20 seconds slower than the Carrera GT. The most recent *official* time around the 'Ring, logged in the dry by Horst von Saurma (a skilled driver, no doubt, but not as intimately acquainted with the GT's capabilities, I'm afraid, as Walter Rohrl is) was 7'32.44''. The fastest the Pagani Zonda C12S managed was 7'52'' (off the top of my head). Even in the wet, the Carrera GT has logged a 7'40''. Now, if you remember a while back, Walter Rohrl was reported as saying that he firmly believes a 7'30'' is possible with the Carrera GT, but "...doubt[s] we'll go much quicker than that." The limits of the GT haven't even been fully explored yet!

Until the Enzo makes an appearance at the 'Ring (and according to Porsche, it has, and, sadly, lost to the almighty GT), the Carrera GT will reign supreme as the greatest supercar ever made. I ask you, which other supercar combines the level of build quality, reliability, everyday driveability, passion, beauty, racing heritage, and mind-blowing performance as the Carrera GT does? I answer: not one. No, not even the Enzo. Yeah, it's faster in a straight line, but as one of the polite gentlemen from TopGear TV once put it, "Nought to sixty, meaningless. Quarter-mile time, meaningless. Top speed, absolutely meaningless. What matters are the track times." The Carrera GT has already proven it can outperform the Enzo on a track, and by a not-so-insignificant margin.

I rest my case.

L8R
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Edited by TylerDurden - Thu, Oct 21, 7:38 PM
Post #4 Mon, Oct 25, 10:27 AM
FreeLancer47
New Member - 42

 well, i love the CGT much more than the enzo, in fact, its my favorite car...
but i dont know if that makes it the best car. the Enzo, purely bred on F1 technology is undoubtedly faster than the CGT... its an F1 car that is born for the road. For the F1 enthusiast, it doesnt get better than this. however, the lack of interior styling (no radio and stuff) takes away from the car if you're the kind of person who wants a well rounded car.

the CGT is exactly that, a well rounded car. it has the luxury, the speed the excellent cornering ability, incredible performance. But no one can say that the Enzo doesnt have better performance, better cornering speeds, and overall, the better racer.

it depends on the way you define the best car. is it absolute, uncompromised performance, is it looks, or is it perfected luxury at the cost of performance?

for someone like me, id want a fast car, with a decent amount of luxury, and looks beautiful. the CGT, incredible performance (one of the best in the world), good luxury, and beautiful looks (i would say the best lookin car).
Post #5 Tue, Oct 26, 10:44 AM
TylerDurden
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 Note the track times of the Carrera GT vs. the Enzo. What was that you were saying about the Enzo being "undoubtedly faster"? Faster track times *necessarily* equate to a car being a better racer, and it's as simple as that.

L8R
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Edited by TylerDurden - Tue, Oct 26, 10:47 AM
Post #6 Wed, Oct 27, 6:40 AM
FreeLancer47
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 where did u find these track times? i havent seen any for enzo or Porsche on the Nurburgring...

Edited by FreeLancer47 - Wed, Oct 27, 8:09 AM
Post #7 Wed, Oct 27, 1:50 PM
TylerDurden
Senior Member - 169

 I believe those times were from a German magazine entitled, "Auto Motor und Sport".

http://www.car-forums.com/talk/showthread.php?t=4512

As for the Nurburgring lap times, you can check the Carrera GT's out here:

http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2040920.004/porsche/1.html

A while back in Excellence magazine, Porsche stated that they had privately run the Carrera GT against the Enzo on the 'Ring, and the Carrera GT was quicker, but "... the margin [was] quite narrow." Walter Rohrl, Porsche's senior test driver, firmly believes that 7:30 is possible on road tires in the GT on the 'Ring. The thing is, Porsche wanted Rohrl to stop before he found the limit of the Carrera GT, claiming that at those speeds, it just gets too dangerous to continuously see if a driver can push a car that little bit further.

Now, I realize that a company might be biased towards embellishing the performance of its cars, but if there's only one company out there that is conservative with the performance claims of its cars, it's Porsche.

Also, Porsche stated that the Carrera GT's performance in the wet was far superior to the Enzo's. Again, the possibility of bias exists, but when you consider the GT's unique dual-compound tires, designed to provide ultimate traction in both dry and wet conditions, it's hard not to believe them.

L8R
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Edited by TylerDurden - Wed, Oct 27, 1:53 PM
Post #8 Fri, Oct 29, 6:39 AM
FreeLancer47
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 the track that the two cars were testing on was at a disadvantage to the enzo because as the article said:

"When it comes to the twisties at Levante, the Enzo has to bow down to the Carrera GT however, the Carrera GT is faster during slow and intermediate turns, while the Enzo excels during high speed turns, which are rare at Levante."

the nurburgring lap times i think are the most reliable....
we'll have to see the enzo being tested on the nurburgring or on Top Gear...
until then, i think the CGT and the enzo are both equal competitors in their own way...
Post #9 Fri, Oct 29, 12:05 PM
TylerDurden
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Quote from FreeLancer47
the track that the two cars were testing on was at a disadvantage to the enzo because as the article said:

"When it comes to the twisties at Levante, the Enzo has to bow down to the Carrera GT however, the Carrera GT is faster during slow and intermediate turns, while the Enzo excels during high speed turns, which are rare at Levante."

the nurburgring lap times i think are the most reliable....
we'll have to see the enzo being tested on the nurburgring or on Top Gear...
until then, i think the CGT and the enzo are both equal competitors in their own way...
Point well taken. However, I believe that there are two schools of thought on how a car performs on a track: 1. The car in question is specifically designed for one type of track over another, or 2. The car in question must perform optimally on all types of track. A good example of two cars which were designed to excel at different feats are the McLaren F1 and the Ferrari F50. In a straight line, the McLaren was king. The F50, though, was much more stable through turns, and could pull higher g's in the corners. Consequently, it was generally a better short track performer. This is not to detract from either car's capabilities. It just depends on what criteria you choose that a car has to meet to be deemed a "better racer". My own, for example, requires that a car have an optimal balance of performance on short and long tracks alike, such as Levante or Hockenheim, and the Nurburgring, respectively. I think we're not the only ones who would like to see what the Enzo can do on the 'Ring...

L8R
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Post #10 Mon, Nov 1, 5:16 AM
FreeLancer47
New Member - 42

 im just gonna wait it out before i start talkin again...
they better get the enzo on the Nurburgring soon...
Post #11 Wed, Nov 3, 1:04 PM
FreeLancer47
New Member - 42

 the CGT already lost to the Enzo on Top Gear...
1:19 vs 1:19.8
Post #12 Thu, Nov 4, 12:03 PM
TylerDurden
Senior Member - 169

 Indeed, but to paraphrase your last post, the Enzo has already lost to the Carrera GT on Levante. It seems both cars excel on different tracks, as I suspected.

L8R
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Post #13 Tue, Nov 9, 1:38 PM
Delta Integrale
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 There's one aspect you seem to forget. The CGT's production is unlimited (the goal of Porsche is to sell 1500), which means it's less exclusive, ok. But the Enzo's is limited to 399, and only sold to people who already have at least 2 ferrari's. So what are you if you have 3 or more ferrari's? Precisely, a collector. I guess just about 50 of the 399 Enzo's will ever see a circuit. Ferrari has made a piece of art which belongs in a museum. Porsche has built a car, which belongs on a road. As an automotive engineer (in study) I think the CGT is not only a better car, but also a better engineering achievement. This leaves us just one question. Is it the best car ever? No, probably not. If the only thing is it going around corners, there are a lot of cars which are faster. When speed matters most, it is nowhere near the top. So is acceleration. This car hasn't made an impact great enough to be the best car ever. Look at the McLaren F1 for instance (which is also not the best because it has no handling) or the Lamborghini Miura (same problem as the F1). I can't tell what is the best car, because I haven't made a decision yet, but the CGT ends up somewhere in my top 10.
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Post #14 Fri, Nov 26, 11:25 PM
CarreraGtRacer
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Quote from Delta Integrale
There's one aspect you seem to forget. The CGT's production is unlimited (the goal of Porsche is to sell 1500), which means it's less exclusive, ok. But the Enzo's is limited to 399, and only sold to people who already have at least 2 ferrari's. So what are you if you have 3 or more ferrari's? Precisely, a collector. I guess just about 50 of the 399 Enzo's will ever see a circuit. Ferrari has made a piece of art which belongs in a museum. Porsche has built a car, which belongs on a road. As an automotive engineer (in study) I think the CGT is not only a better car, but also a better engineering achievement. This leaves us just one question. Is it the best car ever? No, probably not. If the only thing is it going around corners, there are a lot of cars which are faster. When speed matters most, it is nowhere near the top. So is acceleration. This car hasn't made an impact great enough to be the best car ever. Look at the McLaren F1 for instance (which is also not the best because it has no handling) or the Lamborghini Miura (same problem as the F1). I can't tell what is the best car, because I haven't made a decision yet, but the CGT ends up somewhere in my top 10.
actually the production is limited to 1500. Yes the Enzo is more exclusive but whats so great about the car being so limited? How are you suppose to enjoy cars if they are so exclusive? Sure it might be good for owners but what about for dreamers like me?

You bring up some valid points but in the end it comes down to taste because I truly think this car is amazing thanks to its engineering no other car can match.

Plus looks comes down to opinions and I think this is gorgeous
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Post #15 Tue, Jan 31, 11:27 PM
Carfeak the 2nd
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 The car WAS cool. I think after two yeahrs of production it had become an legend. Bye bye Carrera GT!!
Post #16 Wed, Mar 8, 8:05 AM
CarreraGtRacer
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Quote from peelp502
defending? against what? u simply declare the carrera gt as superiour to any other car out there. bit on the offensive side if u ask me. main reason i brought the f1 into this as well is just to show u that there are better cars out there.
sarcasm...
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Post #17 Wed, Mar 8, 8:06 AM
CarreraGtRacer
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 you are retarded...come back on this website once your balls drop
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Post #18 Sat, Apr 29, 11:53 PM
AlleRacing
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 Someone is in denial. This DID beat an Enzo, the Enzo is NOT the best car ever made (far from it actually in terms of performance), for its price and exclusivity its performance is crap. Its quarter mile is one-tenth of a second faster than the Porsche Carrera GT, which isn't saying much because the Z06 has a quarter mile only four tenths slower. I really expected much better from 'Ferrari', the brand everyone hails as being the absolute best. The F50 GT performed better and it was from the '90's!

Your comment about Saleen also showed just how ignorant you are as well. With less than 600 hp it manages to hit a higher top speed than the Enzo, accelerate at near the same pace, and still produce its own weight in downforce! Then there is the twin turbo model with 750 hp (soon one with 1000) which anihilates near any super car in a straight line, while still being able to drive on a ceiling doing 200 mph!

Come back to these forums when you actually know something about cars!
Post #19 Fri, Aug 25, 2:13 AM
viperenzo
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 its thebest supercar
Post #20 Fri, Aug 25, 2:13 AM
viperenzo
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 its thebest supercar
Post #21 Fri, Aug 25, 2:13 AM
viperenzo
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 it the best
Post #22 Thu, Sep 28, 2:47 AM
gumball3000
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 The carrera gt is better than the saleen and enzo, the carrera gt is more stable, more agile, more enduring, good looking, better value than enzo and s7tt, comfortable, safer, built with lemans technology, it has proven faster than both and many others on the nureburgring. I see this as a good nominee for the greatest car ever made, but in reality there can never be the greatest car ever built because there can never be a perfect car, maybe it can to you but to everyone it can't, but what im saying is the carrera gt is an exellent piece of engineering, better than the enzo and s7
Post #23 Fri, Oct 13, 7:13 AM
severetwenty 8
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 you can't say that the carrera handles better because it doesn't its alot harder to drive and its slower. I would still take the carrera over the enzo because it looks better and sounds better Its not my favorite. I would rather have the koenigsegg because I think it looks better than both of those cars and to me would be alot funner to drive
Post #24 Mon, Oct 30, 10:39 AM
terrorlitecrossfire
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 Yeah. The Carrera is easy to lose control with. Supposedly its harder to drive than an Enzo, SLR, or the like. So maybe this isn't the best car ever made, but it would be damn nice to own/drive one
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Post #25 Mon, Nov 6, 8:36 AM
enzo the best
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 the only best supercar in the word is enzo enzo enzoooooooooooooooooo no other car can be beter than than this machine so everyone who doesn't like it or thinks it sucks #$%# him
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