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Post #1 Tue, Jan 10, 11:54 AM
Euro Trash
Supercar Messiah - 7302

 but he's said for 60k he would want a car with a much beter interior than the corvettes.
who cares, he's not a house hold name in north america like he is in the 3rd world, where people care about F1. I bet most of my friends wouldn't know who the #$%# he is - TimmyMcOwnsYou on Ayrton Senna
Post #2 Sat, Mar 25, 2:33 PM
wuggish
New User - 15

 Cmon get REAL... your ignorance has blinded you. These are all the cars that have been equally tested around a track by the same driver in the UK. And yes that Corvette is the 06 model, and as you can see there are alot of cars that can beat it, and i bets theres dozens more that havnt been tested, like the xj220, mclaren F1, 911 etc etc.

st Pagani Zonda F - 1.18.4

2nd Maserati MC12 - 1.18.9

3rd Ferrari F60 Enzo - 1.19.0

4th Ariel Atom - 1.19.5

5th Porsche Carerra GT - 1.19.8

Ascari KZ1 - 1.20.7

Mercedes McLaren SLR - 1.20.9

Ford GT - 1.21.9

Ferrari 360 CS - 1.22.3

Porsche GT3 RS - 1.22.3

Murcielago - 1.23.7

Zonda - 1.23.8

Koenigsegg - 1.23.9

Noble - 1.25.0

Gallardo - 1.25.8

Porsche Cayman - 1.26.2

Lotus Exige - 1.26.4

Chevrolet Corvette - 1.26.8
Post #3 Sat, Mar 25, 4:09 PM
DragStrip
Supercar Messiah - 3354
Quote from wuggish
Cmon get REAL... your ignorance has blinded you. These are all the cars that have been equally tested around a track by the same driver in the UK. And yes that Corvette is the 06 model, and as you can see there are alot of cars that can beat it, and i bets theres dozens more that havnt been tested, like the xj220, mclaren F1, 911 etc etc.

st Pagani Zonda F - 1.18.4

2nd Maserati MC12 - 1.18.9

3rd Ferrari F60 Enzo - 1.19.0

4th Ariel Atom - 1.19.5

5th Porsche Carerra GT - 1.19.8

Ascari KZ1 - 1.20.7

Mercedes McLaren SLR - 1.20.9

Ford GT - 1.21.9

Ferrari 360 CS - 1.22.3

Porsche GT3 RS - 1.22.3

Murcielago - 1.23.7

Zonda - 1.23.8

Koenigsegg - 1.23.9

Noble - 1.25.0

Gallardo - 1.25.8

Porsche Cayman - 1.26.2

Lotus Exige - 1.26.4

Chevrolet Corvette - 1.26.8
Looks like you need to get real, all of the cars with the exception of the Cayman are much more expencive than a C6. Now if the stig were sober when he drove the C6 Im sure times would be even better...
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Post #4 Sun, Mar 26, 6:32 AM
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Racer X - 21282
Quote from wuggish
Cmon get REAL... your ignorance has blinded you. These are all the cars that have been equally tested around a track by the same driver in the UK. And yes that Corvette is the 06 model, and as you can see there are alot of cars that can beat it, and i bets theres dozens more that havnt been tested, like the xj220, mclaren F1, 911 etc etc.

st Pagani Zonda F - 1.18.4

2nd Maserati MC12 - 1.18.9

3rd Ferrari F60 Enzo - 1.19.0

4th Ariel Atom - 1.19.5

5th Porsche Carerra GT - 1.19.8

Ascari KZ1 - 1.20.7

Mercedes McLaren SLR - 1.20.9

Ford GT - 1.21.9

Ferrari 360 CS - 1.22.3

Porsche GT3 RS - 1.22.3

Murcielago - 1.23.7

Zonda - 1.23.8

Koenigsegg - 1.23.9

Noble - 1.25.0

Gallardo - 1.25.8

Porsche Cayman - 1.26.2

Lotus Exige - 1.26.4

Chevrolet Corvette - 1.26.8
This thread is about the Z06, but since you brought up the regular C6, I'm impressed that it's only 1 sec behind the Gallardo, for about 30% of the price. BTW, why did you only show the cars that beat the C6? Why not show the cars that the C6 beat?
Post #5 Sun, Mar 26, 12:54 PM
wuggish
New User - 15

 Because someone said about that the Enzo and the Carrera GT were the only cars that the Corvette couldnt beat, il list the rest if you want me to.
Post #6 Sun, Mar 26, 1:45 PM
DragStrip
Supercar Messiah - 3354
Quote from wuggish
Because someone said about that the Enzo and the Carrera GT were the only cars that the Corvette couldnt beat, il list the rest if you want me to.
That was obveously a stupid comment then. And those are the cars that beat the C6 Z51 around that particular track.
"[peak]Horsepower sells cars, Torque[curve] wins races." Carrol Shelby

"I seriously don't hate anyone more than you[Doyle], and I even got stabbed by a theif several years ago for my wallet" -AntiPimpage
Post #7 Fri, Jun 9, 11:43 AM
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Racer X - 21282
Quote from harka
Quote from PurdueErnie:

The new 2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 is another example, of how classic American ingenuity and engineering, comes out on top of foreign competition from both Europe and Asia.
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Could you please define your meaning? What do you mean with "classic American ingenuity and engineering"? Big block pushrod V8's?

I know we stupid arrogant French commie German Euro-trash hippy democrats should stop whining about stupid abundances like interiour or style. And I know that you know there's no match to cubic inches. V8, tons of steel and cheap oil is all one needs. God bless America!!!!

P.S. Z06 is a great car. It has a breathtaking performance and a low price. The kind of automobile culture it represents just doesn't impress me the way certain old world classics do.
I don't care what country a car is made in.

BTW, it's a small block.
Post #8 Wed, Nov 8, 6:22 AM
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Racer X - 21282
Quote from harka
I know it's a small block V8. I just asked whether big block pushrod V8's were that " classic American ingenuity and engineering" of yours. You didn't answer that.

I'm sorry I'm a racist bastard with cultural prejudices but I have noticed that where a car is manufactured (or actually nowadays where the marque has its origins) is quite significant. It does matter to me whether a car is made in the USA, Germany, Italy or Pakistan.

Why could't you just have said Z06 was an extraordinarily fast #%!@ in its price category?
I didn't say anything about classic American ingenuity.

At least you admit that you're biased.

I was just correcting your mistakes.
Post #9 Wed, Nov 8, 6:24 AM
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Racer X - 21282
Quote from harka
And if this "Classic American ingenuity and engineering" of yours is so superior why are GM, Ford and Daimler Chrysler in trouble then? Why has the value of the Mercedes-Benz vanished due to quality problems since it was married to Chrysler and they began manufacture in the US? And if you don't care where a car is made in why don't you go and drive a chinese car? You'll notice the difference. Your statement about that American engineering would have been correct in the 1950's and early 60's.

I love these Z06 topics. They lure ignorant people like honey
The cost of labor is very high in the US. Do you really think that the most technologically advanced country in the world is incapable of building great cars?
Post #10 Fri, Nov 10, 9:26 AM
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Racer X - 21282
Quote from harka
I wouldn't consider Italy the most technologically advanced country in the world. Still, they're making great supercars aren't they? The acces to technology needed to build a great car is today available to Europe, US and Japan. The know-how to make one is more of a question of a small individual manufacturer. And the spirit too.

So, arguing about who's being high-tech is needless. And the greatness of certain cars has nothing to do with the general quality of everyday cars. Japan is making some reliable machines in their technologically advanced factories, but I can't name a really hot Japanese supercar.

Z06 is good but why do you go crazy praising the greatness of your nation even if it is?
If a Porsche is great not all the Germans are bouncing everywhere on the forums putting topics like "Yet again, Germany takes the cake"..................................
I like Lambos but not Mussolini, you know.


American cars suck because they have to find some way to compensate for the labor costs. This may eventually end the manufacturing of cars in the US.

I wasn't going crazy praising the greatness of the US.
Post #11 Sat, Nov 11, 7:48 AM
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 no problem
Post #12 Tue, Apr 3, 7:24 PM
borderbrother
Senior Member - 185
Quote from wuggish
Cmon get REAL... your ignorance has blinded you. These are all the cars that have been equally tested around a track by the same driver in the UK. And yes that Corvette is the 06 model, and as you can see there are alot of cars that can beat it, and i bets theres dozens more that havnt been tested, like the xj220, mclaren F1, 911 etc etc.

st Pagani Zonda F - 1.18.4

2nd Maserati MC12 - 1.18.9

3rd Ferrari F60 Enzo - 1.19.0

4th Ariel Atom - 1.19.5

5th Porsche Carerra GT - 1.19.8

Ascari KZ1 - 1.20.7

Mercedes McLaren SLR - 1.20.9

Ford GT - 1.21.9

Ferrari 360 CS - 1.22.3

Porsche GT3 RS - 1.22.3

Murcielago - 1.23.7

Zonda - 1.23.8

Koenigsegg - 1.23.9

Noble - 1.25.0

Gallardo - 1.25.8

Porsche Cayman - 1.26.2

Lotus Exige - 1.26.4

Chevrolet Corvette - 1.26.8
You need to remember that evreything is relative. A faster, nimbler, more powerful car can be built that is faster than any othre car, including the Z06, but at what expense? All of the cars you listed with the exception of the Cayman and maybe the Exige (I honestly don't know) each of those cars are considerably more expensive that a corvette.

The one major criticism the Vette receives is it's poor quality interior. I think we've all learned to come to grips with that, and I think that GM is well aware that the interior is not up to Lamborghini-par, as they can easily give it a higher quality interior as evidenced by those found in Cadillacs (also a GM franchise).

Despite all the complaints I hear about the interior problems from people online, I think GM has purposely given it that kind of interior. If they thought they could boost Corvettes sales by a significant by giving it a better interior, they would. They've probably taken customer polls and surveys and learned that this isn;t the case, so they realized they could infact sell more of them by keeping the level of interior quality where it is at.

It would only serve to satisfy people who would never buy Corvettes in the first place such as the people complaining about it's interior here on websites like this.
Long live the V8.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's bad.
Post #13 Tue, Apr 3, 7:38 PM
borderbrother
Senior Member - 185
Quote from harka
Quote from PurdueErnie:

The new 2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 is another example, of how classic American ingenuity and engineering, comes out on top of foreign competition from both Europe and Asia.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Could you please define your meaning? What do you mean with "classic American ingenuity and engineering"? Big block pushrod V8's?

I know we stupid arrogant French commie German Euro-trash hippy democrats should stop whining about stupid abundances like interiour or style. And I know that you know there's no match to cubic inches. V8, tons of steel and cheap oil is all one needs. God bless America!!!!

P.S. Z06 is a great car. It has a breathtaking performance and a low price. The kind of automobile culture it represents just doesn't impress me the way certain old world classics do.
Where to start...

You act as if we care that other people complain about things like interior quality, style, etc. But, if it was as big a deal to us as it was to you, then we would be right there besides you complaining up a storm. If you want to complain, complain away, I just don't get why you criticize other people for valuing different aspects of cars. Also, the value we place on style is subjective, and considering we are an entire ocean apart, it's udnerstandable that our ideas of style would vary.

"V8 and tons of steel" can be explained, and I want your clarification for 'cheap oil' (engine oil, crude oil, ???). Anyways, V8's are more of a tradition than anything else. They were all the rave in the golden years of muscle cars back in the 50's 60's and mid 70's.

Also, as far as the steel goes, America is a huge #$%#ing country and with all the long distance driving, Americans tend to abuse their cars. It's just more cost friendly if we make hunks of steel that can carry their weight than risk making a smaller car that will get trashed. That might also explain the interior thing mentioned earlier, who knows, I'm just throwing that idea out there.
Long live the V8.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's bad.
Post #14 Tue, Apr 3, 7:51 PM
borderbrother
Senior Member - 185
Quote from harka
I sure admit being a european bich ass elitist.
I just want to say that American car industry is in deep trouble.
And maybe the cars aren't that good if people don't want to buy them.
And the US-built Mercs suffering more of quality problems than their European counterparts, for example.

I didn't say the United States is incapable of building great cars, just look at the new SSC , or this Z06, they are great, indeed.

You only have a different way of building cars. If you think they're absolutely best in the world, please go on. I don't want to change your opinion. But it's a fact that the US car industry isn't going too well and I just wanted to point out my opinion and have some discussion about the topic.

But it seems that you are a blind and ignorant nationalist who can't stand any criticism so I'm wasting my time. So let's everyone simply agree that USA rules and Z06 is the best car ever made.

P.S. If you think that the United States is the "most technologically advanced country in the world", please visit Japan. Your comment reveals your way of thinking about yourself as superior to others. An average German or Japanese would never say that even if they their country was the most technologically advanced in the world.

Well you're just one big walking talking hippocrit aren't you?
You say "Your comment reveals your way of thinking about yourself as superior to others." but earlier you said "I sure admit being a european bich ass elitist." Elitist.... superior.... relationship?

You're right the Germans don't think they are the greatest country or group of people on the planet. They never killed 7 million people who they felt were inferior to them. What was I thinking? I must have mistaken Germany for Candyland.

I'm not saying all Europeans are smug, but from my multiple trips to Europe and considering my numerous encounters with Europeans here in the states, I'd have to say 'smug' just about sums it up. Then again Americans who drive European cars also act as if their s**t doesn't stink so maybe I'm right and it's contagious.
Long live the V8.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's bad.
Post #15 Thu, Apr 5, 4:38 PM
borderbrother
Senior Member - 185
Quote from harka
"Americans tend to abuse their cars"
I totally agree. I think Americans think of their cars more as disposable things more than Europeans do. I'm not a huge fan of Top Gear an Mr. Clarkson but he has some very good points about American cars. I love the American muscle cars of the 60- early 70's. They were simply great with their big V8's and outrageous designs. But then something went wrong.
Normally if cars are good, they sell well. In the 60's American cars indeed sold very well, even in Europe. Because they were good!

Today, however, things are slightly different. Clarkson organized a simple off-road SUV test for an Escalade, Hummer and a Range Rover. You can watch that on YouTube.
I mean, I can't name a single American car with off-road performance as good as Discovery's, for example. I can't name an American luxury saloon as good as an S-class. I can't name any modern American car designed even remotely as beautifully as some Lambos, Ferraris, Alfas, Paganis and such. There are few American cars that can compete with Porsches and Ferraris, etc. in terms of driveability, cornering and speed, Z06 being one of them.

"You act as if we care that other people complain about things like interior quality, style, etc. But, if it was as big a deal to us as it was to you, then we would be right there besides you complaining up a storm. If you want to complain, complain away, I just don't get why you criticize other people for valuing different aspects of cars."
Well, I do value driveability, design, good build quality and a nice interior (that's where you are when you're inside a car and interior, I think, is a part of a driving experience). Those are things that among other things make car special. I don't see what aspects then do some Americans value in their cars? Every time I see a Ford Excursion, an Escalade or a Hummer, I want to vomit. Those are not good to drive, no good off-roaders, not fast, not of good quality, non-economical and particularly ugly. I just don't understand why would anyone buy one of those.
Also, every time I see a Smart I want to vomit. It's ugly, too small, slow, veery bad to drive but I understand why people buy these. It's quite practical in the centre of Paris, for example with narrow streets, lots of traffic and parking being a nightmare.

This topic was originally something about American engineering being superior to anything else in the world. In some parts I agree. You've built space shuttles, skyscrapers and Nimitz #$%#ing class carriers! But modern American cars.......................
Why? Why can't you build stuff as good as you did in 60- 70's?

Long live the V8. Indeed. The American V8 is propably the longest living engine tradition in automotive history. Z06 is a very good car. But this is why I think some cars are more advanced: It's not very difficult to get 500 bhp from 7 litres of displacement. Any Euro manufacturer could easily do that. But getting 480 bhp from 4.3 litres in a naturally aspirating engine? GM of Ford couldn't make an engine with as good characteristics as Ferrari engines, BMW M5 V10, Lamborghini V12, Porsche flat 6, Veyron's W16... nor as economical diesel engines with huge torque and smooth running like BMW 335d engine. Name one American car that can do such great MPG with 580! nm of torque and nearly 300 bhp. And it's a large saloon. And it's not only the engines, it's also chassis, steering, comfort, luxury, style, quality, etc. And in Europe there are lots of different manufacturers in different countries that have different ways of producing good cars. Why is everyone comparing everything European to Z06? Because there are few other cars that compare to Euro trash.

"You're right the Germans don't think they are the greatest country or group of people on the planet. They never killed 7 million people who they felt were inferior to them. What was I thinking? I must have mistaken Germany for Candyland."
The jerries killed more than that. This is not about who killed someone and who's superior. It's about cars and how good they are. And by the way, Germany has changed a bit after WW2. Berlin is full of gays.
"I'm not saying all Europeans are smug, but from my multiple trips to Europe and considering my numerous encounters with Europeans here in the states, I'd have to say 'smug' just about sums it up. Then again Americans who drive European cars also act as if their s**t doesn't stink so maybe I'm right and it's contagious."
The Polish are the smuggest people on earth. You have had encounters with disguised Polish infiltrators. Strange. Well, every single American I've met has been a great person. I think they're very relaxed, nice and polite. Maybe your theory is right then. People driving good cars become smug and people driving not-that-good cars are nicer. It is contagious! That's why I don't have a car. I use public transport. Saves energy.
"Clarkson organized a simple off-road SUV test for an Escalade, Hummer and a Range Rover. You can " The Hummer (atleast the H1) wasn't designed as an "SUV". It was designed for both terrain traversing and military capabilities, which includes towing, hauling, etc. For your round of the mill camping trip, I'm sure a RR is more desirable. Don't underlook the H1's many capabilities, which although non-military people may never actually take advantage of, are still very much a part of the vehicle. www.hummertricks.com

I think large SUVs like Tahoes, Excursions, etc. are an embarassment but since you asked why people buy them I will give you an answer. Big US SUV's are for carrying lots of people and lots of crap comfortably. Simply put. R350's just don't cut it when you and 6 friends want to BBQ at the beach and bring your five surfboards with you.

It's not that US engineering is bad, we just aren't implementing it well in our auto markets. If the US military stressed a need for a economical, affordable, well built, stylish, fast, and torquey car with a 2 ton payload, trust me, it would be made.

The whole stylish thing is obviously a matter of opinion when you mentioned Lambos, Ferraris, etc. I do like Italian designs, but not all European cars have the same 'wow' effect. Maseratis, A.R., Bugattis, they are all nice cars, but thir badge doesn't ensure automatic aesthetic appeal. And you can't deny me that all Porches (even the SUV they made) look like they came out of the same batch. The Z06, Ford GT, S7, Viper, GT500, all are good looking cars in their own respect. It's all subjective. But do take into consideration the cost difference between any of these cars and their European competitors. The Ford GT is (according to numerous road tests and trusted magazines) almost neck to neck with the Ferrari Enzo in terms of all around performance, but for 1/6 the price. Compare that to the Z06 which is almost as fast as the Ford GT, and you have supercar performance at a proce of $80,000. There is no room for complaints when you just saved $400,000. Want a better interior? I think $400,000 covers the cost.
Long live the V8.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's bad.
Post #16 Fri, Oct 5, 7:09 PM
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Quote from borderbrother
You need to remember that evreything is relative. A faster, nimbler, more powerful car can be built that is faster than any othre car, including the Z06, but at what expense? All of the cars you listed with the exception of the Cayman and maybe the Exige (I honestly don't know) each of those cars are considerably more expensive that a corvette.

The one major criticism the Vette receives is it's poor quality interior. I think we've all learned to come to grips with that, and I think that GM is well aware that the interior is not up to Lamborghini-par, as they can easily give it a higher quality interior as evidenced by those found in Cadillacs (also a GM franchise).

Despite all the complaints I hear about the interior problems from people online, I think GM has purposely given it that kind of interior. If they thought they could boost Corvettes sales by a significant by giving it a better interior, they would. They've probably taken customer polls and surveys and learned that this isn;t the case, so they realized they could infact sell more of them by keeping the level of interior quality where it is at.

It would only serve to satisfy people who would never buy Corvettes in the first place such as the people complaining about it's interior here on websites like this.
The Ariel Atom is less than half the price of the Corvette.
(insert witty innuendo here)
Post #17 Sun, Jun 22, 8:20 AM
MB E430
New User - 51

 A ZO6 is a car for someone who can't afford a real supercar. It's chintzy, it's cheesy, and it tells the world that you have an ENORMOUS ego and have probably cheated on your poor wife who loves you 6 or 7 times. I mean have you SEEN the people that drive these things? Go to LA and you'll know what I'm talking about. I swear I hope they got their asses kicked in high school a lot.

And don't get me started on the interior.....

this whole car is made of styrofoam!
Post #18 Wed, Jun 25, 5:55 PM
Sam Cool
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Quote from MB E430
A ZO6 is a car for someone who can't afford a real supercar. It's chintzy, it's cheesy, and it tells the world that you have an ENORMOUS ego and have probably cheated on your poor wife who loves you 6 or 7 times. I mean have you SEEN the people that drive these things? Go to LA and you'll know what I'm talking about. I swear I hope they got their asses kicked in high school a lot.

And don't get me started on the interior.....

this whole car is made of styrofoam!
O.......K........so, what your saying is that if I bought one of these I'd be one those people as well with an "ENORMOUS" "ego"!?! Besides I'd never cheat on my wife when and "IF" I had a wife and drove one of these anyways!!
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Post #19 Wed, May 27, 5:48 PM
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 That's quite a stretch, don't ya think?
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Post #20 Wed, Jul 29, 9:46 PM
koenigsegg rocks
New User - 5

 yet again, america takes the cake!!!?????

hahahahah americans cant make cars at all they are built down to a price that why they are so cheap, they are just underengineered rubbish. and what do u mean takes the cake, the zo6 is OK on a track but rubbish everywhere else. americans cant make proper cars and never will
Post #21 Sat, Oct 3, 6:23 PM
Dragonspirit
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Quote from koenigsegg rocks
yet again, america takes the cake!!!?????

hahahahah americans cant make cars at all they are built down to a price that why they are so cheap, they are just underengineered rubbish. and what do u mean takes the cake, the zo6 is OK on a track but rubbish everywhere else. americans cant make proper cars and never will
Unfortunately, neither can Koenigsegg. See I can be an a**hole to, but since that's said I'm waiting for the day cutting labor costs bit, GM, Ford and Chrysler fall for good, because this is there third time getting bailed out by the U.S. government. The "big three" bailout prices are right here:


GM: around $20 billion

Ford: around $15-$20 billion

Chrysler: $25 billion


HUH, it seems the days of the Detroit's big three are indeed in trouble, possibly for good.
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