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Post #1 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
ivanhoe
Supercar Messiah - 5559
Quote from Wheelman
I wouldn't call a Saturn 3-door Coupe anything because it's not a real car. It is a yuppie crossbreed of traditional car styles aimed at wimps. I hold Saturn along side other automotive disasters like the Aztec, the hybrid gas\electric power plant, front wheel drive, and the automatic transmission. I refuse to accept anything other than a real, true performance machine as a car. Unless it has copious amounts or HP, rear or all wheel drive, and a manual transmission it is nothing more than a marginal play at practicality for people who shouldn't be allowed to drive anyways.
Trucks are a different story altogheter. The Dodge Quad-Cab doors are a utility item. Don't compare trucks to cars.




ok I'm not really a Saturn fan or anything but I came across this article this morning:

Saturn Rated Best Among Family Cars
Consumer Advocate Publishes Annual Safety Rating of Cars, Saturn Best Family Car
By JONATHAN D. SALANT
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Looking to buy a new car this year? The Saturn L scores best among family sized cars in eight categories, including safety features and crash tests, according to a veteran consumer advocate.


The Mercury Villager and Nissan Quest are the highest rated minivans based on the same eight criteria.

The ratings come from the 2002 edition of The Ultimate Car Book, published in cooperation with the Center for Auto Safety, an advocacy group founded by consumer advocate Ralph Nader. The book was released Tuesday.

The book rated cars, small trucks, minivans and SUVs by crash tests, safety features, repair and maintenance costs, fuel economy, complaints, warranties and insurance costs. He listed 38 cars and trucks in 10 categories as his best bets for 2002.

The other top-rated cars included the following family sized or intermediate models: Ford Taurus, Volkswagen Passat, Dodge Intrepid and Stratus, Honda Accord and Volvo S80. Other top-rated minivans included the Chrysler Town and Country and Pontiac Montana. The top rated large sport utility vehicles were the Lincoln Navigator and Ford Expedition...

ok that article probably means nothing to people who think about performance cars... but I guess it shows how much American cars have improved over the last few years...

but hey, uhm the Saturn Coupe sells well, next gen S series, called Ion, will have a 4-dr coupe instead of the current 3dr- model.
"drive, i don't care where just far..."

- The Deftones -

ivanhoe!
Post #2 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
Wheelman
En pleine forme - 63521
It seems that Dodge is teasing me. They introduce a car that is almost unbelievable. The first time I heard that they were bringing back the Charger, I almost shit my pants. Not only are they bringing it back, but they're bringing it back with a vengance. 4.7L V8, supercharged, 5-speed, RWD....it seems like a dream. There is only one single flaw (albeit a dreadful, drastic flaw) to this ground-pounding MOPAR revival dream car: Too many doors. I don't see the point behind this, the Charger never had 4 doors before! This is an outrage! For years we MOPAR fans have been waiting for a new pony car to beat down the Camaros and the Stangs into humble submission. The Viper was no help, even though it is one of the greatest cars ever built. It's just a little too expensive to go tearing after lesser musclecars. As for the Charger, Dodge finally ressurects a true musclecar, with a legacy to back it up (not to mention balls), and smacks us in the face with all four doors. It's a fabulous car, but Dodge made a big mistake. Don't get me wrong...I love the car. But I'll never get used to the idea of a four door Charger. Charger sedan indeed!
On perd sa vie à la gagner.
Post #3 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
Offroader
Member - 72

 Still this will tear a Mustang and a Camaro a new asshole y'alls
It's a JEEP thing, YOU wouldn't understand
Post #4 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
Thugz
Senior Member - 539
Quote from Wheelman
Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go? Don't tell me about performance mods. Any idiot with enough cash can build a Firefly that trounces a Lamborghini. You must remember that the Neon is a very very slow car stock. It's not fair to run a tuned car against a stock car. Yes, if you put $60 000 into a Neon it'll go pretty quick, but remember this: IF YOU START WITH A BETTER CAR, YOU END WITH A BETTER CAR. If you take a stock Viper and a stock Neon, which will win? If you put 60K into a Viper and 60K into a Neon, which will win? Thank you.
That's true, I know tons of Fireflys/Sprints/Swifts that can do <3 second 0-60 times and <12 second 1/4 mile times. Besides, the Neon has THE UGLIEST headlights on earth!
Post #5 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
Wheelman
En pleine forme - 63521

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On perd sa vie à la gagner.
Post #6 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
Grizz2K4
Member - 627

 There is nothing wrong w/ 4 doors. Just more room for more peeps to come along for the import bashing ride!
Drive Hard
Post #7 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
sulumordna
New Member - 3

 looks like a vette
Post #8 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
Wheelman
En pleine forme - 63521

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On perd sa vie à la gagner.
Post #9 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
Wheelman
En pleine forme - 63521

 I wouldn't call a Saturn 3-door Coupe anything because it's not a real car. It is a yuppie crossbreed of traditional car styles aimed at wimps. I hold Saturn along side other automotive disasters like the Aztec, the hybrid gas\electric power plant, front wheel drive, and the automatic transmission. I refuse to accept anything other than a real, true performance machine as a car. Unless it has copious amounts or HP, rear or all wheel drive, and a manual transmission it is nothing more than a marginal play at practicality for people who shouldn't be allowed to drive anyways.
Trucks are a different story altogheter. The Dodge Quad-Cab doors are a utility item. Don't compare trucks to cars.
On perd sa vie à la gagner.
Post #10 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
IcepickIII
Member - 238

 Try driving in the snow with a camaro pushing 350, real easy to drive right, Camaros, Firebirds, Vettes, Vipers, i love them but snow is thier worst enemy. FWD comes in handy now, in the winter months.
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Post #11 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
Wheelman
En pleine forme - 63521

 Quote from IcepickIII
Try driving in the snow with a camaro pushing 350, real easy to drive right, Camaros, Firebirds, Vettes, Vipers, i love them but snow is thier worst enemy. FWD comes in handy now, in the winter months.

When I was 16 I used to drive my Dad's 1995 Ford Crown Victoria. My uncle worked for Ford Electronics and so my Dad was able to get the Police Interceptor package. His Crown Vic had 16" rims with Z-rated tires, beefed up suspension, a higher compression ratio which brought HP to about 230, 3.27 rear axle gear-ratio, and larger rotors. I used to go out and race Firebirds, Impalas, and Cutlasses. It was a powerful car. I drove it through a few particularly nasty Canadian winters and I never had a problem. I grew up driving RWD. If you know how to drive properly, you'll never have a problem. When I was in highschool, one of my teachers drove a 1987 Buick GNX year round. he kept it in spotless condition. I asked him about driving RWD in the winter. He said the same thing, if you know what you're doing, it's not much hassle. FWD isn't exactly winter friendly. If you've ever touched the gas in a turn you'll know what I'm talking about. There's no such thing as bad weather, only bad drivers. Just learn to adjust your driving according to the weather and you'll be fine.
On perd sa vie à la gagner.


Edited by Wheelman - Sun, Jan 30, 9:40 AM
Post #12 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
moparman426
Member - 78

 I like it but just not the four doors. The back seat must be tiny like those gay civics. This would stomp all over the Camaro SS look at this cars weight. Ouch that must hurt chevy fans,ford wherever in the hell you are. Imagine that motor they had in the rag top Hemi in this car. Be just as fast as a vette or faster. Prolly faster. But i heard they caned this idea a lil while ago, the Charger was a true american muscle car and they should keep it alive or bring it back to live. But damn germans got in there so we can pretty much forget about it.
Jay
Post #13 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
tmbggeek
Member - 340

 Muscle is dead. I wish it would come back
damn emmission laws
Mopar Power!
Post #14 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
newdeal
Member - 69

 i really do hope dodge does decide to put this car into production. i need another car to kick the shit out of down the 1/4 mile, and at stop lights. hahaha RWD vehicles in the winter are so much better then FWD, just for when you're foolin around doin donuts and shit (but i don't need snow to do that). other then that they're both easy to drive in the winter if you know how to drive.
Post #15 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
camaroking396
Member - 369

 IT IS AN OUTRAGE ISN'T IT ?

DAMN THE PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THAT 4 DOORS WOULD MAKE IT A BIG SELLER
BASTARDS
don't F#ck with a big black truck
why?
cause most likely your gonna die
Post #16 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
jay_dawg22
New Member - 29

 alright since " the new charger would rip camaro a new asshole" lets see you put that up against the new Camaro ZL1 concept?? 0-60 in 2.7 secs 770 hp and 2 doors who honestly know's what dodge is thinking puting 4 doors on a sports car BIG MISTAKE
Chevy sucks lol whatever...corvette callaway sledgehammer and camaro ZL1 what now?!

450 horses, 49 years, 8 cylinders, 5.7 liters, 2 doors, 1 dream made into a ledgend
Post #17 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
Wheelman
En pleine forme - 63521

 Jay, you're an idiot. The ZL-1 is a fantastic car, but it's not street legal, nor is it a good idea to compare it to this car. The Charger R/T is a direct competitor to the Mustang GT and Camaro Z28. Maybe one day the Dodge boys will release a concept based on this new Charger R/T called the Dodge Charger Daytona Hemi, with the 528 Hemi crate motor pushing 750 HP. If they do that, you can compare it to the ZL-1. Until then, don't make such stupid comparisons.

Idiot.
On perd sa vie à la gagner.
Post #18 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
Wheelman
En pleine forme - 63521

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On perd sa vie à la gagner.


Edited by Wheelman - Sun, Jan 30, 9:41 AM
Post #19 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
Thugz
Senior Member - 539
Quote from Wheelman

It seems that Dodge is teasing me. They introduce a car that is almost unbelievable. The first time I heard that they were bringing back the Charger, I almost shit my pants. Not only are they bringing it back, but they're bringing it back with a vengance. 4.7L V8, supercharged, 5-speed, RWD....it seems like a dream. There is only one single flaw (albeit a dreadful, drastic flaw) to this ground-pounding MOPAR revival dream car: Too many doors. I don't see the point behind this, the Charger never had 4 doors before! This is an outrage! For years we MOPAR fans have been waiting for a new pony car to beat down the Camaros and the Stangs into humble submission. The Viper was no help, even though it is one of the greatest cars ever built. It's just a little too expensive to go tearing after lesser musclecars. As for the Charger, Dodge finally ressurects a true musclecar, with a legacy to back it up (not to mention balls), and smacks us in the face with all four doors. It's a fabulous car, but Dodge made a big mistake. Don't get me wrong...I love the car. But I'll never get used to the idea of a four door Charger. Charger sedan indeed!
OMG, this is an outrage! Phucken Dodge! WTF? A FAMILY MUSCLE CAR??? Seriously wrong! What were they thinking/smoking/dropping/snorting when they came up w/ that concept????? It's an embarrassment to the muscle car heritage!! Rest of the car is phat though. Too bad that if it is produced, it won't have the Camaro to wipe the floor w/. Goddam Stangz ruined the Camaro. I hate those cars even more now!
Post #20 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
Mopar Muscle 4 Ever
New Member - 1

 Yes indeed, Dodge needs to make this, we need something new to kick Chevy ass.
M0p4R 4 3v3r
Post #21 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
ivanhoe
Supercar Messiah - 5559

 Uhm would you guys call a Saturn COupe a sedan since it has 3 doors ? What if the next gen is being planned as a 4dr, of course, the extra doors are more like an extended cab pickup truck ones, they are smaller, much like the new ;Mazda RX-8 as well, yet Dodge was first with this car, before Mazda and Saturn, so the "4dr- charger" doesnt look bad at all I guess... Dodge designed it that way because they believe this 4dr coupes will sell better than 2 door ones...
"drive, i don't care where just far..."

- The Deftones -

ivanhoe!
Post #22 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
tyne89
New Member - 40

 what are you waiting for exactly? last time i checked the '98 neon r/t had no problem with a mustang and ran pretty even with an ss. if you spent as much on a neon r/t as it costs to buy a new mustang/trans am/camaro you not only rip a new asshole in all those cars but youd be tearing up vipers too. and it only comes as a 2 door
Post #23 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
Wheelman
En pleine forme - 63521

 You must be insane. The Neon is a fine car, in its own respect. It is a nice domestic alternative to a Honda. However, the Neon has only 150 BHP, is front-wheel drive, is classed as a sub-compact, and has a 0-60 time of 8.2 seconds. How can you possibley rate this up against the pony car class? You're crazy! By the way, the fastest 1/4 mile run I have ever seen in a stock 2001 Camaro SS is 12.9. That's stock, mind you. A Neon doesn't even come close. Show me an article that says a stock Neon can whup any pony car, and I'll show you a blatant lie. I honestly can not believe that you think a Neon compares to a Stang, Camaro, or Charger. Outrageous! It gets worse.... you think a tuned Neon will ever compare to a Viper? Please, don't talk to me. It's obvious that you need to do some research. No offence, but I think you're an idiot.
On perd sa vie à la gagner.
Post #24 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
The359
Supercar Guru - 707

 The Dodge Charger R/T Concept ORIGINALLY was a 2-door car. The car was changed to a 4-door sedan at the last minute when Chrysler execs figured that consumers were looking more into sport sedans then coupes.

This is incresingly evident with such cars as the Saturn SC2 and Mazda RX-8, with it's half doors to give you the Coupe styling with Sedan practicality.
It's origin and purpose, still a total mystery...
Post #25 Fri, Aug 9, 10:17 PM
hemicharger
New Member - 14

 Hey, wheelman... I have a .mov file of a neon blowing away a viper at the track. It's legit, the viper turned in a similar time to every other run it made that day. As for a neon r/t beating a camaro or mustang? Yes, if they were V6 versions. One more thing... you could put the difference of price between the cars into the engine and obliterate any camaro or mustang with a neon. No, i don't own a neon, i just know what you can do in the real world with dodges. I have several files of dodge dakotas eating up vipers too. =)
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