{"id":491019,"date":"2009-11-01T19:00:05","date_gmt":"2009-11-02T03:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/sportscardigest.com\/\/?p=44576"},"modified":"2024-01-04T21:50:38","modified_gmt":"2024-01-04T21:50:38","slug":"more-than-time","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/more-than-time\/","title":{"rendered":"More Than Time"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Many car enthusiasts appreciate and collect fine watches. This should not be surprising as it mirrors their passion for both finer things and mechanical pieces. I have noticed this trend over the last 19 years as a purveyor of fine automotive memorabilia in Toronto. I cannot tell you how many stainless-steel Rolex Daytonas I have seen; this seems to be the unofficial \u201ccar guy\u2019s watch.\u201d Many horological companies have sponsored drivers and teams and others have set up corporate ties with manufacturers.\u00a0Some examples include Franck Mueller (McLaren F1 GTR), Breitling (Bentley), Tag Heuer (Jacky Ickx, Ayrton Senna, Lewis Hamilton), and Omega (Michael Schumacher). Chopard is the official sponsor of the Mille Miglia and the California Mille. Tag Heuer is linked with the McLaren Formula One team. If you drive an Aston Martin, there is a good chance you own a Jaeger LeCoultre, and if you have a Ferrari in your stable, I would guess you have a Girard-Perregaux or Panerai in your collection.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">As both a watch and car collector, I often catch myself glancing at the wrists of fellow car enthusiasts. Having just come back from Pebble Beach, I can tell you that not only did I see some of the finest and most beautiful cars in the world, but I also saw some incredible timepieces.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_678105\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-678105\" style=\"width: 646px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p2.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-678105\" src=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"646\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p2.jpg 646w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p2-179x300.jpg 179w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p2-613x1024.jpg 613w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p2-60x100.jpg 60w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p2-293x490.jpg 293w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 646px) 100vw, 646px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-678105\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Gracing the wrist of Steve McQueen as he filmed the movie Le Mans was this (TAG) Heuer \u201cMonaco.\u201d<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Recently, the holy grail of all automotive collector watches\u2014the (TAG) Heuer \u201cMonaco\u201d owned by Steve McQueen and worn by him during the filming of the 1971 movie Le Mans sold for US$87,600. Consider that a similar period Monaco watch is only worth a few thousand, and you can understand what the car\/celebrity component is valued at.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">As with real cars, a watch\u2019s provenance is paramount to its value. There is a difference however. A Ferrari 250GT SWB is an expensive car, regardless of race history. But this car becomes even more valuable and desirable if it competed at Le Mans in the early 1960s. On the contrary, many vintage car watches do not have much of an intrinsic value outside of the car world. For example, Zenith made many watches in the 1950s for Ferrari. They were essentially pulled from the range and had added Cavallinos on their faces. Without the little horse or added rear engraving, they are worth $500-$1000 to watch collectors. But find one with the horse, and you will pony up several times this amount if you are a car enthusiast.<\/p>\n<p><!--nextpage--><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_678106\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-678106\" style=\"width: 1080px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p3.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-678106\" src=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p3.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1080\" height=\"810\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p3.jpg 1080w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p3-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p3-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p3-100x75.jpg 100w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p3-770x578.jpg 770w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p3-293x220.jpg 293w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-678106\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">This vintage\u2008Burk time clock was used at Scuderia Ferrari in the 1920s.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Some time ago I found a vintage Burk time clock from the 1920s. However, it was no ordinary time clock. It had a Scuderia Ferrari horse atop the brass nameplate, and a serial number. It was actually the time clock used by Enzo Ferrari and his Scuderia Ferrari employees to \u201cpunch in\u201d when they came to work back in the Alfa Romeo days. All of a sudden a $500 item became something worth tens of thousands of dollars. It was quite historically significant and a thrill to own.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">I once received a call from an Italian whose father worked at the Ferrari factory for many years. He told me that he had a watch that was given to Luigi Villoresi in the 1950s. It was inscribed to \u201cCiccio\u201d but that name did not mean much to him. I was quite excited knowing that this was Alberto Ascari\u2019s nickname! \u00a0The back was inscribed \u201cA Ciccio campione in pista e nella vita con amiciria Gigi Villoresi 25 dicembre 1953.\u201d It was a Christmas gift from Luigi Villoresi in 1953 to his friend and teammate Alberto \u201cCiccio\u201d Ascari, who won the championship in the 500F2.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_678107\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-678107\" style=\"width: 852px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p4.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-678107\" src=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p4.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"852\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p4.jpg 852w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p4-237x300.jpg 237w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p4-808x1024.jpg 808w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p4-79x100.jpg 79w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p4-770x976.jpg 770w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p4-293x371.jpg 293w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 852px) 100vw, 852px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-678107\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Umberto Maglioli was given this Marvin watch by Mario Ricci at the 1953 Carrera Panamericana.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><!--nextpage--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Watches are not only rebranded with marque logos, they are often inscribed and attributed to specific events. I have several Marvin watches that were made as gifts for Carrera Panamericana drivers. One was given in 1951 to the Alberto Ascari\/Luigi Villoresi team who drove Ferrari 212 Inter Vignale #0161EL. The other was a gift from Mario Ricci to Umberto Maglioli for driving Ferrari 375MM #0358 and #0320AM at the 1953 Carrera. Again, these watches are not collectible in themselves, other than the fact that they bear the Carrera Panamericana logos and have been inscribed at the back.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_678108\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-678108\" style=\"width: 751px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p5.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-678108\" src=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p5.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"751\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p5.jpg 751w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p5-209x300.jpg 209w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p5-712x1024.jpg 712w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p5-70x100.jpg 70w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p5-293x421.jpg 293w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 751px) 100vw, 751px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-678108\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Eugenio Castelotti presented this special Girard-Perregaux timepiece to engine designer Vittorio Jano in honor of his 65th birthday.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Another neat watch was a Girard-Perregaux made in 1956 for Vittorio Jano. This special timepiece was given as a 65th birthday gift to the engine designer by Lancia-Ferrari D50 driver Eugenio Castelotti. The rear of the case was inscribed \u201cPer Vittorio Jano maestro di tecnica e di vita Eugenio Castelotti 22 April 1956.\u201d This was a great piece of history for anyone that is a fan of Alfa Romeo, Lancia, or Ferrari. A similar watch was given by Juan Manuel Fangio to his head engineer, only it was a Vetta. Vettas were distributed by Cuervo Y Sobrinos in Havana and, as such, it was easier than usual to legitimize the story behind this watch. Those who followed Fangio\u2019s history know he spent quite a bit of time in Cuba\u2014even though he was taken \u201chostage\u201d there in 1958.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_678109\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-678109\" style=\"width: 900px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p6.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-678109\" src=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p6.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p6.jpg 900w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p6-250x300.jpg 250w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p6-853x1024.jpg 853w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p6-83x100.jpg 83w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p6-770x924.jpg 770w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p6-293x352.jpg 293w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-678109\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Juan Manuel Fangio honored his head engineer with this Cuban-distributed Vetta.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><!--nextpage--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Watches, like cars, often tell more than time. They relay a story and often encapsulate one moment in history. For this reason, we covet particular ones and enjoy collecting them as we do cars. Enzo Ferrari is one of many marque owners who enjoyed giving watches as gifts to his favorite drivers and personnel&#8230;in fact one special Cartier was even made for Pope John Paul II in the 1990s. As the Patek Phillippe ads state, you don\u2019t buy their watches, they are inherited from one generation to the next.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_678110\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-678110\" style=\"width: 810px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p7.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-678110\" src=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p7.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"810\" height=\"1080\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p7.jpg 810w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p7-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p7-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p7-75x100.jpg 75w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p7-770x1027.jpg 770w, https:\/\/www.supercars.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/FEA2-200911-p7-293x391.jpg 293w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 810px) 100vw, 810px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-678110\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Enzo Ferrari, who enjoyed giving watches as gifts to his favorite drivers and personnel, had a special Cartier made for Pope John Paul II in the 1990s.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Morry Barmak<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">COLLECTOR STUDIO &#8211; Motorsport Gallery<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">136 Yorkville Ave.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Toronto, ON, M5R1C2, Canada<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">tel\/fax: 416-975-5442<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"FWuUBh3GNi\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/collectorstudio.com\/\">Home<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe class=\"zeen-lazy-load-base zeen-lazy-load wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px);\" title=\"&#8220;Home&#8221; &#8212; Collector Studio - Fine Automotive Memorabilia\" src=\"about:blank\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/collectorstudio.com\/embed\/#?secret=ujwT05ffqa#?secret=FWuUBh3GNi\" data-secret=\"FWuUBh3GNi\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><noscript><iframe class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px);\" title=\"&#8220;Home&#8221; &#8212; Collector Studio - Fine Automotive Memorabilia\" src=\"https:\/\/collectorstudio.com\/embed\/#?secret=ujwT05ffqa#?secret=FWuUBh3GNi\" data-secret=\"FWuUBh3GNi\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/noscript><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Many car enthusiasts appreciate and collect fine watches. 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I cannot tell you how many stainless-steel Rolex Daytonas I have seen; this seems to be the unofficial \u201ccar guy\u2019s watch.\u201d Many horological companies have sponsored drivers and teams and others have set up corporate ties [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":417,"featured_media":678113,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[263,7143],"tags":[17152,17154],"class_list":["post-491019","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-car-culture","category-misc","tag-car-culture","tag-misc"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.5 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>More Than Time<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Morry Barmak discusses how provenance determines the value of collectible watches just as it does for cars.\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" 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