A Unique Mustang Vs. Corvette comparison

Discussion in '2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra' started by nolinkage, Dec 20, 2002.

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    Subaru is a Japanese company...just like Honda, just like Nissan, just like Acura, etc etc....

    ...and if I can find someone to insure a GTR for less than 450 dollars a year in California, I`m sure it wouldn`t too hard to find someone to insure it at that price or less.
     
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    I meant to post this last night, but for some reason the site would not load it. Thanks Boredup, and PCP - he's right.

    I got the point entirely, and that "MAJORITY" of the people who own them but "do not rally them" are not owners of WRX's, the WRX is designed for people who want good performance out of a car, and are going to push it hard, the "Majority" you refer to actually own RS's and TS's, why would they spend more for the same car that's just a bit faster? Oh, and it's actually about 60% of WRX owners who don't race, but only about 20% that don't drive them hard, cars don't have to be entered in races to be driven as if they are. The only existing "rally tracks" are super special stages, and rally cross tracks, the overwhelming majority of Rally races occur on Logging roads, not a track.

    About the parts being replaced after every race, only in the highest classes does that occur, the vast majority of rally racers have no team to back them up, they do a quick check over the car to make sure no major damage occurred, then they drive their car home to be ready to go to work the next week. The vast majority of WRX's that are rally raced, are not raced professionally. Our insurance is no subsidization either (are you one of those Americans that think our Government subsidized logging companies for Softwood lumber?, cause before you go into a rant about it, consider this: they WEREN'T Subsidizing).

    If your friend is a Resident of BC then he can come right over and get his car insured for no more than it would cost to insure a 03' Cobra. He should be able to find someone to insure it, I mean all the other Elise's in North America can't be illegally driven daily.

    No, I'm not going to tell you Volkswagon isn't a German car, because it IS a German car. Subaru on the other hand is NOT Australian, it's JAPANESE.

    Actually, the majority of Honda's, Nissan's, and Toyota's are still not made in North America, they are imported here, which is part of the reason they are so "expensive".

    You should practice what you preach, rather than preach to the deity.

    I never sided with one car, or one company for that matter, I know what other companies bring to the table, and I'm really not impressed by America's "high displacement = high power, and poor weight distribution translating to below par handling", in other words I'm not impressed by the "bigger is better" attitude of North American cars. They're fast sure, but as all-round cars, they just don't cut it, the Z06 being a minor exception. I'd much rather have a fast and well-handling NSX, or an all-round better in performance, handling, utility, crash safety, etc. Subaru, or the cheap, economical performance of any Honda, or the Superior handling of a Lotus, or the prestige and performance of BMW, or the Awesome racing heritage backing Audi, or the thrilling performance of a Nissan, or the "real deal" Mazda (rather than their ripped-off technology used on Fords), or the cheaper yet phenomenal performance of a Mitsubishi, or the unquenchable performance of a Porsche, etc.

    All in all, I prefer the higher quality, better design, better handling, and equivalent or better performance, better economy, better crash safety (and crash safety ratings in American cars are far behind those of Other manufacturers), and overall better cars of the majority of import manufacturers over the cheap and reasonable power from overdone displacement offered by American manufacturers.

    I have not chosen one car or company over another, I just prefer the Impreza because it's one of the best currently available "ready-to-rally" cars (I do a lot of fast driving on slippery surfaces) and I prefer Subaru over Mitsubishi so the Impreza is in over the EVO, and can you name just one other car that provides as good off-road performance and handling, on-road performance and handling, as well as everything else? There isn't a single car that offers as much for that sort of price (and don't mention the Focus, because it's considerably slower - even the RS, does not handle well, and hey, let's face it, there are a lot of improvements that need to be made before it can be considered a reasonable match for the STI or EVO)

    In all honesty, I'd take an NSX or Lotus 340R over an Impreza just because the fun to be had with either on paved surfaces surpasses that which could be had with the Impreza on both paved and unpaved surfaces, but then again, on the other hand I prefer a more versatile car, so it depends on whether I'd go for driving pleasure, or overall quality of design.

    Oh, and earlier, people were dissing the WRX because I offered concrete evidence of a "family wagon" beating their beloved stang, it was just to point out that your little pony cars are not so dominating as so many seem to believe.

    P.S. R U "sold" now? Or are you going to make up some sorry excuse that the site is lying. You didn't answer about the 300hp, 300lbft STI that's on its way here.


     
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    Japan decided to use Australia as an onset to sell Subaru as Subaru's premise is AWD vehicles...tough and rugged. Just because "Crocodile Dundee" drives them around on TV doesn't mean they're an Australian brand!

     
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    let me put it this way...i know four different people who own the WRX. all four of them, after being asked, tout their cars as austrailian bred. a couple of them prefer not to be associated with JAP cars at all. and "crocidile dundee" in their commercials has nothing to do with it...try 'Outback' and 'Baja'. maybe a simple marketing ploy i dunno...you should know that better than i...now shouldn't you?

    as for being able to insure a GTR (are you referring to a skyline?) for 450.00 a year....you sir, are full of shit. if you're talking about a pinto GTR, i might believe you...but, with the lack of there actually being such a thing....you're just FOS. scan your policy and post it...otherwise, go pick your nose somewhere else. i can tell you for a fact that in 2000 it would have cost me (with a perfect driving record, multi-car discount, safe-driver discount, no accidents, no speeding tickets...not even a damn parking ticket and a policy that has been open since 1968) 245.00 PER MONTH for full coverage on a 1995 mitsubishi montero sport. my 1995 5.0 mustang, on the other hand, cost me 170.00 per month. if you expect me to believe that you're insuring a GTR (skyline? it really doesn't matter since i know of no car that can be insured that cheap) for 450.00 a month....i want hard proof and the phone number to your agent so i can jump on that kick-ass deal. otherwise, don't bring it up again.
     
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    okay...now that i've had time to check out your link...i'll say this: i'm impressed. every article that i've had the opportunity to read has put the US version of the STI at around 245-250hp. now, this may have changed at some point, i don't know. obviously it did since i was able to locate your link myself via subaru's website and this appears to be from subaru of america. thus, yeah...i'd buy it. but as i said, i'm not against the WRX in any way. i never bashed it. but i also find the newer american cars to be quite nice myself. of course i'm aware that the WRX is the best OVERALL car. but i think this whole thread has more to do with what a car can do in a straight line than it's off-road prowess. note that i don't fault you for your preference at all....i understand that what you look for in a car may be different from what i or anybody else wants from it. that's fine. but you yourself need to respect that same idea...that other people can like other cars for other reasons.....as opposed to bashing the cars that others like. you don't like them...hey, that's your opinion. kudos to you.

    as for the origin of subaru....i've located some evidence that would support you ( http://www.subaru-global.com/about/origin/index.html). guess that means i apologize because not knowing a great deal about subaru's history i took the word of a few owners of the WRX who claimed it to be of austrailian origin. i was wrong...i admit that. however, on the issue of insurance costs being as low as BOREDUP states...nadda...i don't buy that yet.

    anyway, that's my two cents. i look forward to seeing this new Rex.
     
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    Don`t worry...as soon as my paper copy of the policy arrives I`ll scan it in and Hotmail it to you.....

    You have to consider, I just arrived in the states, and USAA hasn`t sent the paperwork to me yet....and here`s the deal....

    Where do you live? New Jersey?

    In California
    GTR (secondary vehicle) (also insuring a `94 V6 ranger for 4XX/6 months on two drivers...I have that policy in hand if you`d like to see it), USAA quoted on rate 8 miles/day to work and back, 5000 miles/year, 91 R32 Skyline GTR, Red, Full coverage w/200 dollar deductible, 26 year old primary driver, 25 year old wife (secondary driver), No tickets, no accidents, 10 years incident free driving. 237 dollars per 6 months.

    You`re getting ripped off something FIERCE. I insured my (past) `67 L79 for less than 290/ six months as a 23 year old (less than 2k miles/year) for full coverage to 62k, 500 deductible.
     
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    i think maybe now i see where you're pricing is coming from. according to what you're telling me, these cars are insured for something like 5000 miles/year, right? that may be the big difference. see, my car garners an average of about 25,000-32 or 33,000 miles a year. therefore, premiums would be a bit higher. the other difference could be that i live in Georgia....and around here, seeing a skyline would be a rare thing. some people have them, but not many. i would say you're more likely to see ferraris and vipers around this area as your high dollar sports cars. not many people here have really gotten into this import thing...with the exception of the very abundant "ricer" crowd with the civics and WRXs and such. one of those people i was speaking about has a couple of turbo upgrades on his Rex (among other things)....that's the baddest one i've seen. he's a got a video of that car spanking the hell out of a 2000 or 2001 porsche 911 turbo. anyway, those two factors can make a world of difference. it still seems a bit cheap, but maybe more believeable now that you put it that way. but to be honest, my friend really wasn't able to find anyone that would insure the elise. i think he's since shifted his attention to the new RX8 from mazda. anyway, i think we've solved this mystery, eh?

    one more thing, for what it's worth....my wife's uncle bought an '03 cobra...and i'm not disappointed at all. that's a truly bad ass (pavement driving) car. and my car, the '95 5.0 mustang...it has about 154,000 miles on it without a single major repair to this day. it all comes down to how well you look after your car. if you take care of it, it will take car of you. it's that simple.
     
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    oh yeah...i noticed it's a '91 GTR at that. that's another reason it's so low. ahhh...it all makes sense now. what in the hell was this thread ORIGINALLY about? does anybody remember?
     
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    I don`t know, I still think you`re paying a bit much. I claimed 12k a year on my truck. On the GTR, even though it`s a 91, it`s insurance value is in excess of 40k, so I don`t see how you`re paying so much. I`m in California which (if you don`t include New Jersey) has the highest rates in the country. I am under USAA...sorta special deal I guess.....
    They told me they would add a `69 SS (value at 7k) for another 120/six months (I`m thinking about getting one for my wife). We think it would make for some great pics.....me sitting on the hood of the GTR and her (Japanese) sitting on her SS...just scowling at each other. Besides, she needs a good project car!
     
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    hehe...that would be rather funny i think. i'm not really sure about why our rates are so high, but i can tell you that i've shopped around with many other companies and been quoted much higher costs. i'm with State Farm....but oter companies like GEICO and Progressive and other major names in insurance have all quoted me prices between 200-600 dollars a year more...more than what i'm paying now. i dunno what's up with that. seems kinda weird i guess. should you have any suggestions, fill me in. oh and the '69 SS would be a great choice. as i said, that would make for some rather funny photos. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
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    You gotta post those pics if you get your wife a 69 ss.<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A> Detriot muscle against Japans muscle...nice.
     
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    OMFG<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/amazed.gif"></A> for once you show some respect, and an open-minded opinion. Cool, maybe there is some hope for you<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>.

    Thanks PCP, tell your friends they are morons if they think Subaru is Australian. The Outback was another name given to an enhanced version of the Legacy, really quite a good marketing ploy, get pretty much the same car (when you look at the basic design) for about 1/3 of the price more. The name was chosen for the image, and with Paul Hogan, and commercials filmed in Australia, the image sold a lot of cars.
     
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    Speakin of Legacy`s...had a friend who traded his Evo V for a Legacy GT (Twin Sequential Turbo 2.0L).@Engine sounds great....but I just couldn`t believe he went for the family wagon over his (I thought) CHOICE Evo.
     
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    As long as the person isn't being a tool (like you are 99% of the time) or believe that the wrx can run a 12.3 stock, I'm cool with them.
     
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    See, that's what's wrong with you, you believe what you "know" and refuse to accept shown evidence, now, as I've said before, the only one that I know was stock ran 12.91. The 12.3 on that list had no modifications, the Turbo was altered from normal it could have just had the boost increased, or it may have had a different turbo, I don't know, which is why I never claimed that it definitely is stock, just that it likely is. Am I a tool because I proved you wrong on numerous occasions?<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/confused.gif"></A>
     
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    Moron, anything you do to a car thats not on it from stock (increase boost, new exhaust, hell even a K@N air filter) makes in modded and not stock.
    That said, those cars are not stock, they are modded big time to run a 12.3, and no were near stock, come on are you really that retared? That page showed the timeslip and and thats all, no where did it show any mods or say the cars where stock?!? Why the hell do you still think that? THEY ARE NOT STOCK JACKASS, BELIEVE ME ON THAT!
    I can't help it the WRX gives you such a hardon that you can't understand that, but those cars are not stock.
     
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    That's what I'm saying, I'm not entirely sure the one that ran 12.3 is stock, because I don't know if the turbo was replaced, I'm just saying that it might be IF the boost was just increased on the stock turbo by the manufacturer. His speed was 112mph, you can check it out on the registry link I posted earlier.

    Again American HP, you seem to be reading what you like into what I say. As I keep telling you, I don't know if that WRX with a 12.3 1/4 is stock, all I've told you was that it might be as the manufacturer may have just increased the boost on the stock turbo, and be that as it may, it would then still have the manufacturers warranty covering it, and as such would still be stock. But since I do not know if this is the case, then I do not know if it is stock, which is why I haven't said it is stock. I've clearly stated countless times that it COULD be stock, not that it IS stock. He might have boosted the ps himself, or he might have replaced the turbo entirely, both of which would make it NOT stock. And that site clearly stated "Turbo ONLY", meaning that the car has not been altered other than the Turbo, now what was changed with the turbo is what determines whether or not it was stock.
     
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    Not necessarily, I own a Vette, and my Girlfriend likes my bro's Mustang better. depends on the girl
     
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    for the most part it's true though.

    Question: are you sure it's just your bro's Mustang she likes better? lol, I'm just kidding<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
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    If you wanna see some shit, come the Chi. No need for me to lie. My 03 is putting 394 to the wheels. Recently I have removed the silencer and put in a direct replacement K&N. And yes, guys can get jacked in the face by his women if he is an idiot. Never saw that I guess? I can't even launch this car properly this 02 z06 had the jump but by third gear I had a half a car. Could he drive? Don't know. Were there 3 girls in my ride, yes. Never seen that befor right?

    My most recent victim was a W56 or whatever. He was messing with me while i was on the cell. You know speeding up dropping gears so I can here is full exhaust job ect. So he hits it..........i do nothing, you know, I was on the phone. He hits again...........nothing from me, the road is not clear enough. So he gets right in front of me, same lane, slows down and gets ready for his final bye bye hit it. And He does.......... I proceed into third gear, drop the hammer, pull up to his bumper go around him at a least 9 to 11 mph faster and pull like a mule. Silly business how i reeled him in.

    Stop to stop this car will run a z06. Even if the drivers are equal. Any doubts and you live in the Chi, we will run for fun video tape it and put it on the forum. utopiagroup@ameritech.net

     
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    If you wanna see some shit, come the Chi. No need for me to lie. My 03 is putting 394 to the wheels. Recently I have removed the silencer and put in a direct replacement K&N. And yes, guys can get jacked in the face by his women if he is an idiot. Never saw that I guess? I can't even launch this car properly this 02 z06 had the jump but by third gear I had a half a car. Could he drive? Don't know. Were there 3 girls in my ride, yes. Never seen that befor right?

    My most recent victim was a W56 or whatever. He was messing with me while i was on the cell. You know speeding up dropping gears so I can here is full exhaust job ect. So he hits it..........i do nothing, you know, I was on the phone. He hits again...........nothing from me, the road is not clear enough. So he gets right in front of me, same lane, slows down and gets ready for his final bye bye hit it. And He does.......... I proceed into third gear, drop the hammer, pull up to his bumper go around him at a least 9 to 11 mph faster and pull like a mule. Silly business how i reeled him in.

    Stop to stop this car will run a z06. Even if the drivers are equal. Any doubts and you live in the Chi, we will run for fun video tape it and put it on the forum. utopiagroup@ameritech.net

     

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