Bye bye Ferraris... on streets you can't beat this one...

Discussion in '2003 Mercedes-Benz SL 55 AMG' started by G20, Aug 9, 2002.

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    Hmm there ARE such things as V8's going even faster. -Ferrari 360 Modena i think is like 4.3
     
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    <b>ch1c4n3 NO NO NO YOU CANNOT COMPARE THIS TO A MARANELLO. they have different size engines, different prices and different purposes. 575MM is a real sports car with no compromises. This is a luxury convertible that happens to have a bad ass engine, but it's not meant to be compared to a Ferrari at all. yes in formula1 mercedes and ferrari are competitors but the competition that they have on the real world is Ferrari F60 vs. Mercedes-Benz SLR. Any thing else from mercedes will just get blown away by a ferrari.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    ahh but you forgot the good ol clk gtr, nothing by ferrari could touch that thing</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    wow youre so dumb why would you bring in the GTR? Well, as long as we're comparin random cars, the Ferrari F2002 could easily rape the GTR. Good try though.
     
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    <b>First there's ppl ttrying to say you can't compare a benz to a ferrari and them these fUcked BMW guys coming up in here to diss !!

    The modena does 0-100 in 4.5 (official site)
    Now i'v seen the 500bhp do 0-100 in 4.4 in a mag. and 4.7 with it's 475bhp version. One thing the benz has, ferrari doesn't ?
    you can drive it everydays, lot more luxuary, more confort. And after driving 5000k you don't need an hearing-check up !!

    A benz CAN be compared to a ferrari, the CLK-CTR is a living-proof.
    The SL-55 CAN be compared to the 360 since it's in the same price range, and because it has a HIGHER top speed, and reaches it faster.
    And mister BMW, it's not because your car onl;y goes 130KM.H that others do too. People actually drive at 300km.h on the highway... now don't be scared you'll get over it !!
    As for picking up chicks in you ferrari, i don't think you could ever pick up ckicks even in the most beautiful car in the world, and i don't think the 360 is more of a chick magnet !!
    Now the Sl is FAST and there's nothing you can do about it !!
    please don't bring your M5 piece a shit in here, no one cares about your messed up sedan !! talk about sport .....</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    This guy is stupid, top doesn't mean shit when you are comparing cars, and no, this doesn't compare to any Ferrari, not even the entry level 360. What days could you drive this and not a Ferrari? No one driving a Ferrari gives a shit about comfort, they just like driving, unlike Mercedes drivers. Yeah, this car is fast and all, but its not that great. What person hear compared the M5 to this in this thread? No one did. And as far as your comment "no one cares about your messed up sedan !!" the BMW "messed up" sedan rapes any Mercedes sedans, and for that matter any other production sedan on the planet.

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    You obviously don't know shit aabout cars my poor ignorant piece a shit. The fastest sedan in the world is the Brabus E-V12 !! and this is fact !!. now someone did compare the SL and M5 if you don't know how too read then WTF are you doing here ??
    Top speed doesn't mean shit you mean ?? so i might as well compare a Lotus elise to Ferrari F40 right ?? i mean i'm sure the light weight Elise is more agile on a track then your gay ferrari. And maybe you don't know this but some people that own a ferrari just have one to show off, and they use it during the week-end because they know they couldn't bear how unconfortable it is more then 300km straight.
    Did you know that a Bentley Arnage T Lemens is a sedan. This car is 190273437 times better then your M5 !!
    Your saying it's not that great ?? can you proove this... all you do is tlak shit, all i do is show you facts !!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    THE BRABUS E-V12 isn't a #$%#ing production car you moron! Its been modified, I can't go down to a #$%#ing Brabus dealership and buy you idiot.

    Hey idiot, what grade are you in? Its "prove", not "proove", and a question mark (?) comes directly after the word, not a space after you idiot, thats what you learn in grade 1.

    Do you own a Ferrari? Have you ever driven one at 300km/h? Of course you haven't becuase you're only seven years old, or else your older than that with the IQ of a seven year old.

    Yeah thats great the Bentley Arnage T Lemens is a sedan, it probably costs like a quater of a million dollars, while the M5 is only eighty thousand dollars!

    Top speed is for Muscle cars or super cars like the McLaren, it won't ever matter on a track at all, because you will never reach it fast enough to matter.

    Angus

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    first, when i entered this page i thought that i'm dreaming, but my phone rang, so i knew that i was awake, really what is this ?? it's a car ?? can we drive it like the other cars ?? i don't think so!! i think this something we only can see it in our dreams.

    it's only V8, but it can reach the 60 mph in 4.7 !!! WAW, i told u this is something not real.

    i'm wondering how did AMG edited it ? how can they think about something amazing like the SL55 ?!?

    WHAT A GREAT CAR, WHAT A GREAT FEELING WHEN U OWN IT, nothing more i can say, i can just stand in front of the screen and watch this amazing car <IMG SRC="http://www.supercarforums.com/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
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    i'm willing to bet the modena's nowhere near as comfortable.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Its a car ( a very nice one at that!)<!-- Signature -->
     
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    I can tell you exactly what this is, it's a mercedes-benz sl 55 AMG, and the reason the ferrari has such a better 0-60 time is cause it weighs 1 THOUSAND pounds less.... idiot<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Go to NYC and check them out, people are driving them on the streets already. *LOL*
     
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    "Holydude", once again, the SL 500 is already out and on the street, but the AMG SL 55 is not.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    yea, ferraris are faster, but do ferraris have brake-by-wire technology, nappa leather, convertible rooftops, ATC, CSC and all the abbreviated stuff? All the luxury offered in this car can't be found in any ferrari.
     
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    BTW, they threw a supercharger on the engine, if you didn't realise.
     
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    Yea, and?? Porsche threw in 2 superchargers in their cars if you didn't notice.
     
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    why the hell are you dips comparing the modena to the benz . . . . . the modena is a light weight car with a myriad of racing technologies and sound engineering incorporated into it, it spent 5000 hours alone in the wind tunnel . . . . . . it's mostly built out of aluminium, it's got a 40 valve V8 with eccentric cams . . . . . and you guys are comparing it to a benz??? Benz are sweet cars, they're built as luxury cars . . . . . but why the hell do you want to compare it to a ferrari? they just slapped a blower onto the 5.5L block so some grandpa who can't drive worth shit can have a mercedes that goes faster than an aston martin vanquish . . . . .
     
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    a modena looks like a toy next to this amg
    SL will always be the best <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
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    This car is a hell of car. AMG reached the level of brabus. The brabus SL 6.1 accelerate to 100kph in 4,7 too. That's cool ! I hope the next-coming E-55 and CLK 55 will get this engine.
    I just think the rims are not in the spirit of MB, I would take classical AMG rims.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    I agree about the rims... What the hell were they thinking?? otherwise the looks are absolutely fantastic! One thing though, the weight! 1820kg! ouch... but its first of all a luxury car, not a track killer.
     
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    throughout the last 3-4 years mercedes benz has showed us (that's what i believe) a different face...they try to make their cars more fun to drive without losing their originallity of course.it started with the SLR,new s-class,went on with the c-class and the sprotscoupe.and now this! actually i think you cant compare it with the modena 360.and the only reason i say that is because the ferrari is an absolute sport machine made for those who can handle it! nothing more nothing less...on the other hand i think the new sl55 amg combines everything! fun to drive (not a ferrari of course) , luxurious , safe!!! and really really fast! according to reliable sources...the new benz is faster than a 360modena,even faster than the 996 turbo.maybe not at 0-100km/h but after that c u later guys! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> it's even faster than the beast!! the murcielago at 0-300km/h! i mean who could ever imagine that!it has everything!!why should i buy the ferrari when a car same price..like the benz offers me more than the ferrari...except that wonderful engine noise and the joy a ferrari provides you with! by the way...it has the best auto 5speed gear..drag type!
     
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    WOULD YOU STUPID MORONS STOP COMPARING FERRARI TO MERCEDES!!!!!!
    This car is not meant to be competing with any of the ferraris out there. The only one is the SLR and that's going agains the F60. by the way ferrai does have all the luxury amenities that a mercedes would ever have. And if you wanna get into navigation systems, ABC, BCD, and all of those letters-of-the-alphabet kind of technology you can still get them in a ferrari as optional. Ferraris are Formula one cars made street legal, but they are still very much customizable to any of your needs, you just have to pay the extras.
     
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    of course u can compare ferrari to mercedes, in F1 its merc engines vs ferrari engines, the SL55 is a direct competitor with the 550 maranello

    the SL55 aint no luxury 'cruiser'...its a dragster in disguise and the 2003 SLR will absolutely lay waste to a maranello

    as for the options list for ferraris, they arent very long and i know for a fact that brake-by-wire and active body control etc is NOT an optional extra on ay ferrari, the merc has loads of standard equipment that NO ferrari will ever have, custom or not
     
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    Porches use twin TURBOS, which are very diff from superchargers in the respect that turbos are spun from moving exhaust gas creating a vacuum for the intake air at the same speed as exhaust gasses. a supercharger runs off your engine just like a water pump, alternator, or AC, compressing air and forcing it through the intake manifold at a psi of boost depending on the pully ratio you run. ( i.e. 12% under ). so please try and not be such a smart ass about shit if you dont really know what you are talking about, you sound like a douchebag.
    I agree that benz is totally gettin their shit together recently, they are producing cars that are sports car competitive without sacrificing any of their classic benz luxury.
     
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    ch1c4n3 NO NO NO YOU CANNOT COMPARE THIS TO A MARANELLO. they have different size engines, different prices and different purposes. 575MM is a real sports car with no compromises. This is a luxury convertible that happens to have a bad ass engine, but it's not meant to be compared to a Ferrari at all. yes in formula1 mercedes and ferrari are competitors but the competition that they have on the real world is Ferrari F60 vs. Mercedes-Benz SLR. Any thing else from mercedes will just get blown away by a ferrari.
     
  22. #22 Lee Iacocca, Aug 9, 2002
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    <b>Lido lacocca, i see you really dont have anything else to do but to put yourself in compromising situations. Right now you are definately not in your home ground buddy, i think you better look for a partner to support your nonsense. Ferraris are always been original ever since they came out. They were the first manufacturer to come up with the f1 gearchanging technology and successfully installed it in their road cars. who else do you see in formula1 racing that combines the engine and transmission into one unit? these are just a couple of examples. Design ideas? well, pininfarina is considered to be one of the most innovating design team in the automotive industry today. You are just one of those few people who dont appreciate what they do. I will also add that Ferrari's research and development is based on Formula1 technology and they are the best when it comes to bringin F1 experience to a road car. Ferrari is a subsidiary of Fiat i admit to that, but they are mostly self controlled under one president: Luca Cordero di Montezzemolo. Fiat is just a sponsor and provides the team with civil transportation. I have noticed that you can only make your point by directing yourself towards other with no discretion. By trying to make everything personal you will only prove your inmaturity and incompetence. So if you dont mind I would like to debate about the forum's topic and not about the level of knowledge that each one of us have. thank you </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Let's see...I'll help you...here are your answers...


    1. The first company to develop the f1 gearchanging technology AND first intalled on their road sport cars was AUDI.


    2. Who else do you see in formula1 racing that combines the engine and transmission into one unit?
    Lamborghini model MIURA in 1963 (almost 40 years before Ferrari) was the first car to use this technology. They're not in Formula 1 but we had a lot of championships around the world than the F1 itself. And they developed this technology in 1963 ! www.lamborghini.com


    3. If you look to the OFFICIAL FIA (Formula 1 sponsors) site ( www.fia.com) you will find the FORMULA 1 encyclopedia... they says

    "But the 1988 season was a disaster"..."Enzo Ferrari supported John Barnard's desire for the team to switch to V12 engines, while his son Piero Lardi Ferrari, Piccinini and Postlethwaite wanted to continue with turbo engines. "..."Ferrari ousted HIS OWN SON and gave the management of the racing team to a FIAT [here is FIAT !] man Pier Giorgio Cappelli"..."By then FIAT [here is FIAT !] had taken over the running of the team. Piccinini disappeared. Pierguido Castelli was appointed technical director overseeing Barnard's activities"..."In March 1989 Cappelli was replaced as head of the racing department by Cesare Fiorio, formerly the competitions director of Lancia and Alfa Romeo."..."The 1990 season was not a success"...

    Look ! They try AGAIN with Ferrari son in '91...

    "FIAT [here is FIAT !] appointed a triumvirate to lead the team consisting of Piero Lardi Ferrari, Piccinini and Claudio Lombardi, the latter running the team."..."The LACK of success [of Ferrari son, AGAIN !] at the team prompted FIAT [here is FIAT !] to put Luca di Montezemolo in charge of the ENTIRE Ferrari company. In July Montezemolo named Jean Todt as the new sporting director of the team."

    Here is your Montezemolo ! (Montezemolo had worked in Ferrari in '74 by only 1 year !...he withdrew...I think it would be dificult to work with the Ferraris bothering...)

    Montezemolo was THE MAN who replaced Ferrari !


    4. Pininfarina is one of the GREATEST (maybe THE BEST) designers in the world. They're an INDEPENDENT company wich worked and works with a lot of companies like NASH, PEUGEOT, FIAT, LANCIA, ALFA ROMEO, FERRARI, GM (General-Motors) and CADILLAC ( www.pininfarina.com). Enzo Ferrari or his company had never designed anything and allways buys projects from companies like Pininfarina. There are a lot of companies of this kind in Italy, they are Pininfarina, Gandini, Italdesign, the "old" Ghia (it now belongs to Ford), the "old" Arbath (it now belongs to Fiat) and Bertoni. In US we can say the same about Shelby, Saleen, Callaway, Steeda. But in US they normally buy cars from Ford and GM to make their own. With Ferrari is diferent, Ferrari buys cars from Pininfarina/Bertoni to put the Ferrari engines on them.


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    Lido lacocca, i see you really dont have anything else to do but to put yourself in compromising situations. Right now you are definately not in your home ground buddy, i think you better look for a partner to support your nonsense. Ferraris are always been original ever since they came out. They were the first manufacturer to come up with the f1 gearchanging technology and successfully installed it in their road cars. who else do you see in formula1 racing that combines the engine and transmission into one unit? these are just a couple of examples. Design ideas? well, pininfarina is considered to be one of the most innovating design team in the automotive industry today. You are just one of those few people who dont appreciate what they do. I will also add that Ferrari's research and development is based on Formula1 technology and they are the best when it comes to bringin F1 experience to a road car. Ferrari is a subsidiary of Fiat i admit to that, but they are mostly self controlled under one president: Luca Cordero di Montezzemolo. Fiat is just a sponsor and provides the team with civil transportation. I have noticed that you can only make your point by directing yourself towards other with no discretion. By trying to make everything personal you will only prove your inmaturity and incompetence. So if you dont mind I would like to debate about the forum's topic and not about the level of knowledge that each one of us have. thank you
     
  24. #24 Lee Iacocca, Aug 9, 2002
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    <b>Lido lacocca, i see you really dont have anything else to do but to put yourself in compromising situations. Right now you are definately not in your home ground buddy, i think you better look for a partner to support your nonsense. Ferraris are always been original ever since they came out. They were the first manufacturer to come up with the f1 gearchanging technology and successfully installed it in their road cars. who else do you see in formula1 racing that combines the engine and transmission into one unit? these are just a couple of examples. Design ideas? well, pininfarina is considered to be one of the most innovating design team in the automotive industry today. You are just one of those few people who dont appreciate what they do. I will also add that Ferrari's research and development is based on Formula1 technology and they are the best when it comes to bringin F1 experience to a road car. Ferrari is a subsidiary of Fiat i admit to that, but they are mostly self controlled under one president: Luca Cordero di Montezzemolo. Fiat is just a sponsor and provides the team with civil transportation. I have noticed that you can only make your point by directing yourself towards other with no discretion. By trying to make everything personal you will only prove your inmaturity and incompetence. So if you dont mind I would like to debate about the forum's topic and not about the level of knowledge that each one of us have. thank you </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Let's see...I'll help you...here are your answers...


    1. The first company to develop the f1 gearchanging technology AND first intalled on their road sport cars was AUDI.


    2. Who else do you see in formula1 racing that combines the engine and transmission into one unit?
    Lamborghini model MIURA in 1963 (almost 40 years before Ferrari) was the first car to use this technology. They're not in Formula 1 but we had a lot of championships around the world than the F1 itself. And they developed this technology in 1963 ! www.lamborghini.com


    3. If you look to the OFFICIAL FIA (Formula 1 sponsors) site ( www.fia.com) you will find the FORMULA 1 encyclopedia... they says

    "But the 1988 season was a disaster"..."Enzo Ferrari supported John Barnard's desire for the team to switch to V12 engines, while his son Piero Lardi Ferrari, Piccinini and Postlethwaite wanted to continue with turbo engines. "..."Ferrari ousted HIS OWN SON and gave the management of the racing team to a FIAT [here is FIAT !] man Pier Giorgio Cappelli"..."By then FIAT [here is FIAT !] had taken over the running of the team. Piccinini disappeared. Pierguido Castelli was appointed technical director overseeing Barnard's activities"..."In March 1989 Cappelli was replaced as head of the racing department by Cesare Fiorio, formerly the competitions director of Lancia and Alfa Romeo."..."The 1990 season was not a success"...

    Look ! They try AGAIN with Ferrari son in '91...

    "FIAT [here is FIAT !] appointed a triumvirate to lead the team consisting of Piero Lardi Ferrari, Piccinini and Claudio Lombardi, the latter running the team."..."The LACK of success [of Ferrari son, AGAIN !] at the team prompted FIAT [here is FIAT !] to put Luca di Montezemolo in charge of the ENTIRE Ferrari company. In July Montezemolo named Jean Todt as the new sporting director of the team."

    Here is your Montezemolo ! (Montezemolo had worked in Ferrari in '74 by only 1 year !...he withdrew...I think it would be dificult to work with the Ferraris bothering...)

    Montezemolo was THE MAN who replaced Ferrari !


    4. Pininfarina is one of the GREATEST (maybe THE BEST) designers in the world. They're an INDEPENDENT company wich worked and works with a lot of companies like NASH, PEUGEOT, FIAT, LANCIA, ALFA ROMEO, FERRARI, GM (General-Motors) and CADILLAC ( www.pininfarina.com). Enzo Ferrari or his company had never designed anything and allways buys projects from companies like Pininfarina. There are a lot of companies of this kind in Italy, they are Pininfarina, Gandini, Italdesign, the "old" Ghia (it now belongs to Ford), the "old" Arbath (it now belongs to Fiat) and Bertoni. In US we can say the same about Shelby, Saleen, Callaway, Steeda. But in US they normally buy cars from Ford and GM to make their own. With Ferrari is diferent, Ferrari buys cars from Pininfarina/Bertoni to put the Ferrari engines on them.


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  25. #25 OzyF1, Aug 9, 2002
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    wow lido lacocca, finally you have made some sense, i will admit that i agree with you little research. However, I still uphold my position by saying that mercedes and ferraris are not meant to be compared. I can only see a good rivalry when the SLR comes out to go up against the F60. Oh a couple of things i'm not agreeing in your research was the F1 paddle shifts from Audi???I dont think so. Plus it's only suspicious that they are not using it anymore in any of their road cars. Now they use tiptronic technology. Maybe they weren't successful after all. I realized that this was the only thing you didn't source, why? Also the engine and transmission architecture put into one unit by lamborghini i dunno where did you get that from?Your sourcing is not valid. There hasn't been one lamborghini that had this technology. Maybe you did not understand what's the concept behind. It only means that engine and transmission become one solid mechanical part rather the transmission being bolted onto the engine. The transmission also utilizes no clutch disk to syncronize the gears.( www.formula1.com) It's all done by electronics, opting for quicker,smoother gearchanges and reliability.
     

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