Impreza Bets the crap otta this.

Discussion in '2001 Ford Focus RS WRC' started by ImprezaMan1, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. This car has more horsepower than a stock WRX but is slower! For needs to give up trying to beat the Subarus, it's never gonna happen.
     
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    I am 100% positive that a stock WRX can NOT do 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. Don't even try to argue this. The cars are different, so don't compare them, please. The Focus was geared for ultra-quick acceleration on Rally Courses, and the WRX was geared for driving on normal roads like the rest of us. Maybe the top speed is higher on the WRX, but nobody goes faster than 145 on a Rally Course anyways, so the Focus doesn't need that.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Your a fool if you think that a standard WRX would beat this car, a WRC. You guys look at numbers to much, and 4.2 seconds isn't quit correct. I'd say its deeper in the 3's, on gravel 4.2 sounds right. The susp. brakes, diffs, trans, and engine, make standard cars look like there in the stone age. This car isn't $500,000 for nothing. 1 corner on a Focus WRC (susp. brakes, wheel) costs more than a whole WRX new.
     
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    Bullshit Mitsubishi Lancer EVO Vii could wipe that
     
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    the Lancer evo5 would kill this thing. so would the impreza.
     
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    WAT DO U MEAN COULD BEAT THIS U ASSHOLES!
    YOU GUYS NEVER SAW A RALLY RACE I GUESS
    (calm down)
    if u saw a rally race u would see that the focus
    is a Gigantic competitor with the Imprezzas and the Lancers
    U cant compare the Imprezzas and the Lancers and the Focus
    because there in a big stalemate! these 3 cars keep switching
    trophies!

    So next time u post something, make shure u know some outside info first
     
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    notice how mitsubishi SUCKS after tommi makkinen left, theres a reason, because the car sucks!!! last year they were definatly in the running for the drivers championship, but this year, they are horrible, all they got is the little mcrae and ex peugeot driver auriol.
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from steveS</i>
    <b>I am 100% positive that a stock WRX can NOT do 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. Don't even try to argue this. The cars are different, so don't compare them, please. The Focus was geared for ultra-quick acceleration on Rally Courses, and the WRX was geared for driving on normal roads like the rest of us. Maybe the top speed is higher on the WRX, but nobody goes faster than 145 on a Rally Course anyways, so the Focus doesn't need that.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    Ultra quick?!?!! haha! the wrx rally car does a 0-60 of 3.8 seconds on loose gravel. . . hehe i dont agree that astandard wrx is faster. . but the race version sure as hell is. <!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Budd</i>
    <b>Your a fool if you think that a standard WRX would beat this car, a WRC. You guys look at numbers to much, and 4.2 seconds isn't quit correct. I'd say its deeper in the 3's, on gravel 4.2 sounds right. The susp. brakes, diffs, trans, and engine, make standard cars look like there in the stone age. This car isn't $500,000 for nothing. 1 corner on a Focus WRC (susp. brakes, wheel) costs more than a whole WRX new.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    no. .. i dissagree. . i have read that the transmission alone on these things is 200k+ a large chunk of the rest is the powertrain... it doesn't really cost much for good suspension. <!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Budd</i>
    <b>Your a fool if you think that a standard WRX would beat this car, a WRC. You guys look at numbers to much, and 4.2 seconds isn't quit correct. I'd say its deeper in the 3's, on gravel 4.2 sounds right. The susp. brakes, diffs, trans, and engine, make standard cars look like there in the stone age. This car isn't $500,000 for nothing. 1 corner on a Focus WRC (susp. brakes, wheel) costs more than a whole WRX new.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Probably this is first time I'm going to have to agree with this BASKET CASE. It's $500,000!! Much of the most advanced peices of automotive technology is in this car. A stock WRX (wich is a 30% or more GM product) would get crushed by this thing.

    (Oh yah, the new Grand Prix GForce is going to be the best bang for your buck sedan when it comes out).<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 2002wrx</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Budd</i>
    <b>Your a fool if you think that a standard WRX would beat this car, a WRC. You guys look at numbers to much, and 4.2 seconds isn't quit correct. I'd say its deeper in the 3's, on gravel 4.2 sounds right. The susp. brakes, diffs, trans, and engine, make standard cars look like there in the stone age. This car isn't $500,000 for nothing. 1 corner on a Focus WRC (susp. brakes, wheel) costs more than a whole WRX new.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    no. .. i dissagree. . i have read that the transmission alone on these things is 200k+ a large chunk of the rest is the powertrain... it doesn't really cost much for good suspension. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Actually I READ in wheels magazine this month the tranny on these things is worth around 100k!!<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from steveS</i>
    <b>I am 100% positive that a stock WRX can NOT do 0-60 in 4.2 seconds. Don't even try to argue this. The cars are different, so don't compare them, please. The Focus was geared for ultra-quick acceleration on Rally Courses, and the WRX was geared for driving on normal roads like the rest of us. Maybe the top speed is higher on the WRX, but nobody goes faster than 145 on a Rally Course anyways, so the Focus doesn't need that.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    Ultra quick?!?!! haha! the wrx rally car does a 0-60 of 3.8 seconds on loose gravel. . . hehe i dont agree that astandard wrx is faster. . but the race version sure as hell is. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    he was tlkin about the STOCK WRX, not the WRC WRX.

    Read b4 you speak, ok?

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    overall the focus has done better than the WRX or the Lancers, and in all the simualation games it out accelarates the WRX -rallysport challenge, and Gran Torismo.
     
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    Stock Impreza WRX STI does the 0-100 in 4.4 seconds, much faster than the stock Focus, but still not quite as fast as the WRC Focus. Impreza WRX is NOT any part GM (unless of course it happens to be made in a GM factory as part of a business deal then I assume it might have SOME of the same materials.....like the Airbag...seat cushioning....fuel filters, etc.). The Ford Focus is FAR more Mazda Protege than the Impreza sold in North America is GM.

    Simulation games also have the Focus at the same torque as the Peugeot 206 does in the REAL WRC, so I could hardly consider that accurate. Ford has only done so well because of their drivers, not because of the car. Mitsubishi has only done so poorly because the EVO VII sucks in comparison to the V & VI. Subaru has done so poorly because they're still running the original version of the new Impreza, while Ford and Peugeot are running the versions that have had all the "bugs" worked out.

    IMO next year is going to be a contest between Citroen (given the quality of the car and the fact that they are now going to have the highest paid drivers that Ford had up until now), Peugeot (given that they will be running the same setup as they did this year), and Subaru (given Petter Soldberg's performance this year, the introduction of the revised version of the Impreza WRC, and the fact that Tommi should be back up to peak performance).

    Runners up are likely going to be: Skoda, Mitsu., then Hyundai. (if you want me to explain why I think this don't hesitate to ask.

    Ford will likely be in about the same position as Citroen has been running this year, because they will be in the same testing stage as Citroen has been.
     
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    Dude you ignorant ass hole. If the Impreza is better then why has Ford beat them and the other rally manufacturers in WRC? In fact Ford won the manufacturers championship just last year!!!!!!!!
     
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    Ford's drivers are carrying them. Ford is using the second version of their new WRC car, while Subaru was still working with the first version, which means there are a lot of bugs to be worked out. Next year will be a true test of whether the new Subaru Impreza WRC can hack it.
     
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    Ford's drivers are carrying them. Ford is using the second version of their new WRC car, while Subaru was still working with the first version, which means there are a lot of bugs to be worked out. Next year will be a true test of whether the new Subaru Impreza WRC can hack it.


    And the Ford Focus DID NOT WIN THE MANUFACTURERS TITLE YET, PEUGEOT DID, BOTH LAST YEAR, THE YEAR BEFORE AND THIS YEAR, SO WTF R U TALKING ABOUT?

    Not that you are or anything, but you call him an ignorant asshole?? learn the real results before you make any false claims.


    Edit: One other thing, ignoring all the other non-vehicle related advantages other manufacturers have over Subaru. Peugeot, Mitsubishi, Ford, Citroen, etc. have all been running with 3 cars eligible for points, while Subaru has been running with 2 cars, so Ford has had 150% the opportunities to be in the top 8 (which, for the 2002 scoring system is the final position which is assigned points in the manufacturers championship) that Subaru has had.

    Given the fact that Ford has one more car eligible for manufacturers points, looking at the Manufacturers championship is very misleading, however looking at the driver's championship is very accurate as it's one driver one navigator and one car which places Subaru and Ford on equal footing, and look at who won the driver's championship in 2001 - Richard Burns in a SUBARU, and for 2002 - 1st place was Marcus Gronholm for Peugeot, 2nd place was Petter Soldberg for SUBARU, in neither season did Ford do better.

    So get off it, the Focus is in no way a better rally car.

    BTW, many people argue over who is the better driver - Petter Soldberg, or Markko Martin, they're both newcomers to the full WRC, neither had a WRC win until last season (GB, I'll get to that in a minute). Both are considered to be very comparable drivers, Soldberg drives for Subaru, Martin drives for Ford, Martin has been trailing Soldberg for the last two seasons, neither has ever won a single WRC rally, then in Great Britain (final rally of the season) Petter and Markko were both competing for their first win, Martin was trailing (as always) throughout the rally close at Petter's heels, but in the end Petter won by more than 30seconds (in rallying that's considered to be as large a gap as 4 seconds is for Drag racing), is this a display of Ford's "awesome performance" in the WRC?
     
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    Not according to the SPEED channel. Ford won the manufacturers championship.
     
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    WTF R U talking about? All channels are going to end up with the same points as those are the points for the championship. And "according to SPEED" (btw that's the channel I watch for WRC coverage as well) Peugeot ended up with more than double the points that Ford had, and the championship was even clinched for Peugeot by the end of Rally New Zealand.
     
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    WTF R U talking about? All channels are going to end up with the same points as those are the points for the championship. And "according to SPEED" (btw that's the channel I watch for WRC coverage as well) for a little while Peugeot had more than double the points that Ford had, and the championship was even clinched for Peugeot by the end of Rally New Zealand.

    The SPEED channel website had a link to this site which shows the manufacturer's standings for the WRC after GB:
    http://www.wrc.com/en_GB/Results/Standings/Standings.htm?Year=2002&ChampType=M


    here's a link to the standings from a site that is an even more reliable source of information:
    http://rally.racing-live.com/en/

    edit: oops, my bad, for the Rally-live site you'll have to click on "standings" on the left side, then click on "constructor's stand." in the little box on the top right corner of the screen.
     
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    Actually the car is a multi-million dollar car. Now a Group N vehicle would cost roughly $500,000 US dollars, depending on who you buy it from.

    Prodrive sells a Group N Impreza S8 for roughly 350,000 British pounds. Roughly $637,000 US dollars.

    A WRC vehicle is classified as a Group A car and they have way more technology stuffed inside them than any Group N vehicle. The electronics for their transmission alone costs roughly $50,000 US dollars. That's not the transmission. Just the electronics for it, since these cars use a semi-automatic 6 speed manual.

    Each part and piece is manufactured to be light-weight and strong. Like their carbon fibre bumpers, which go for $5000 US dollars.


    2002WRX>>

    Doesn't really cost much for a good suspension. You don't know much about rally cars do you? Especially the Group A cars. These suspension are fully adjustable, not to mention a computer is tied in to them to automatically change their stiffness with the road and predicts upcoming road conditions, also memorizes how the driver drives and sets itself up to match, and the data from the whole rally is stored on a computer so that mechanics know exactly what is wrong with the suspension and where it's wrong. It also transmits this data to the mechanics computers while the car is still racing an SS.

    If you think it doesn't cost much for a suspension in a Group A car, think again. You're talking well more than your little 200k price tag for the engine, which is also a lot higher than your prediction.
     
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    It's actually 2.8 on Gravel.
     
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    Actually, Group-A cars are insured for $500,000 so no, it's not a multi-million dollar car.

    Group-N cars are the Production version outfitted with skidplates, off-road suspension, rollcage, and 4pt. harnesses. With all that additional weight, they are generally slower than the production version. Rally Packages for Group-N spec. cars are generally offered for about $5,000 more than the MSRP for the Production version.

    I've never heard of this Group N Impreza S8, are you sure it's not Group-2, or Group-A?

    WRC spec cars are not limited to just Group-A, there are Group-N, Group-2, 1600, etc. classes as well in the WRC. No electronics at all are added to Group-N cars. Subaru has the most expensive transmission at $80,000 usd equiv., I sincerely doubt the electronics make up 2/3rds of the cost. They all now use dog-shift manual gearboxes. Which is not technically an automatic, as the clutch disengages the moment they touch the paddle.


    The R&D that goes into Group-A cars may be significantly higher, than $500,000, but then the R&D for the Lexus GX 2004 was in the millions, but that doesn't mean it's worth millions, it only has a $45,000 price tag. The best way to estimate the value of Group-A cars is to look at the insured value, which rings in at $500,000 for all Group-A cars.

    At most the engine is worth about 200,000, that said, they've invested a lot more than that in R&D, but again, the value of the engine is really only a couple hundred thou. (at the absolute most).

    I don't mean to get on the case of a fellow rally enthusiast, but if you're going to give someone shite about not knowing about rally cars, then at least have your facts straight.
     

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