Jap. cars can't compete with domestics.

Discussion in '2002 Honda Civic Type-R' started by 2003 ss R, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Re: Jap. cars can't compete with domestics.

    what??? show me a link, i have to see this.
     
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    Camaro = Horse shit.
     
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    Americans focus on straight line performances. That is why we have cars with the fastest 1/4 0-60 and top speed in the world.

    Euros focus on handling, which is why their cars usually win in rallies/road courses.

    Each country sticks to what it knows best- america- straight line performance. Euros- handling.

    You people are idiots for arguing over this bullshit.
     
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    ah, but America doesn't have the fastest 0-100km/h car in the world.
     
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    Password Please, you're the dumbest guy I know. Camaro = Horseshit?

    Gimmeabreak!
     
  6. #31 Ford rulez, Dec 17, 2002
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    Re: Jap. cars can't compete with domestics.

    You have your opinion, I have mine. IMO Camaro = Horseshit


    Think about it - it's a pony car, it's a bad pony car, it often gets left in the cloud of burned rubber from the car it's racing against, I have every reason to consider it the equivalent of Horseshit. Oh, and any pre-1979 Camaro has my respect, since then.....<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>

    Here's a few video clips of your beloved Camaro in the races it "dominates" so much....lol

    http://www.racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=224
    lol, little Suby sport wagon with 2.0L engine thrashes little pony car

    http://www.racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=137&p=4
    Here's one of an economical Eclipse getting off the line faster, nobody knows which won this race. Some people think the Camaro SS is in the lead by the time the video cuts out, others think the GSX has the lead, personally it looks like the GSX maintains the lead.

    Now, in all honesty, drag racing is useless in determining whether a car is good, but since that's the only thing the Camaro is good for.....
     
  7. Re: Jap. cars can't compete with domestics.

    who R U referring to?
     
  8. Re: Jap. cars can't compete with domestics.

    You're referring to camaro (author of this post, not the car) right?
     
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    What does?
    I assume that a Top Fuel dragster (american car) has the fastest 0-100 time since they can hit 325 miles per hour in less than 5 seconds. Unless you are refering to street legal. If you are not then it is the british who hold fastest top end at just over mach1.
     
  10. #35 Aaron2K3, Dec 19, 2002
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    your moronic beaners(someone who think just cuz they got a heavy pos american car which needs the torque and hp to push the car!thinks they can beat a ferrari with there firebird or rustang or craparo) seeing that japanese cars are preferably lighter they dont need as big engines, theyre lighter and they handle better than any sluggishly handling on an american car ever hear of drifting? its a sport mainly only japanese cars do theres no way a rustang or craparo could keep up with a nissan silvia in the drifting sport. jap cars and many other foreign companys destroy american cars in every car subject including top speed,0-60 times,handling, reliability,and the toyota supra TT has more horsepower stock than any mustang svt, camaro, trans am or any pos american car u can put up to it, also, www.suprastore.com and click supras for sale and theres a 1,250 horsepower supra that would easily humiliate the lingelifter corvette in every category. also the honda accord sold more cars in 6 months than ford did in a one year basis. my uncle has all old cars like an oldsmobile 442, ford galaxy, he has a 57 chevy hes restoring and a 1964 and a half mustang it has a 289 in it, ehh and he only likes american cars im confused why tho, all of the cars he has are slow,crappy handling, uncomfortable, unreliable, not safe at all, and i hate how in his ford galaxy u sink right into the seats practically. i've always been for american cars when i was a kid, but i learned that japanese cars kill domestic cars many ways, they may not have the biggest engines but, they cant still easily keep up and most can easily humiliate a lotta american cars and cost even less. i would never buy an american car. ohh yea and im proud to be an american, born and raised in america in rhode island, but i just dont like the cars sorry
     
  11. #36 Black Silverado, Dec 19, 2002
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    "your moronic beaners(someone who think just cuz they got a heavy pos american car which needs the torque and hp to push the car!thinks they can beat a ferrari with there firebird or rustang or craparo"

    -How do you push your car without Hp and torque. Do you put in neutral, get out and push it?

    "seeing that japanese cars are preferably lighter they dont need as big engines"

    -Do you like them lighter so they're easier to push?

    "theyre lighter and they handle better than any sluggishly handling on an american car"

    -Have you ever looked into cars such as the vette, viper which handle as well as most of the more expensive 'supercars' for a fraction of the price. YOu won't find many cars today that will out perform a stock Cobra(289 or 427) or a stock GT40(any mark) in terms of on track (street) handling or acceleration. If you want proof look at the winners of LeMans.

    " ever hear of drifting? its a sport mainly only japanese cars do theres no way a rustang or craparo could keep up with a nissan silvia in the drifting sport"

    -By drifting are you refering to rally racing? If so you would notice that american cars such as the focus do place decently in their calss. Obviously cars like the mustang and the Camaro can't keep up. They were not designed for that use. Most were designed to be affordable with decent acceleration and handling, not to be taken off road. They are not quite as nimble as the silvia (240Sx). While it is fun to drive that car, especially in the winter when you can 'drift' everywhere using the rear wheel drive to its full advantage, some of the best 'drifters' are probably the European cars.

    "jap cars and many other foreign companys destroy american cars in every car subject including top speed,0-60 times,handling, reliability,"

    -I am not quite sure what you mean by this? Are you refering to street legal, because as I have noted above there are many capable american cars. If you are refering to racing, you can also refer to above, but also take note that:
    1)C5-R took top place in GTS class (which involves speed and handling) as well as Ron Fellows (from my home town of Mississauga) took home the drivers championship.
    2)American Top Fuel Dragsters are the fastest head to head race cars in the world.

    "the toyota supra TT has more horsepower stock than any mustang svt, camaro, trans am or any pos american car u can put up to it"

    -The Supra has 320 HP and 315 FT lbs of torque. If you would kindly look at ANY v8 muscle car you would see that it has more horsepower, and lots more torque, stock and normally aspirated. A regular C5 (not the Z06) would easily take a supra in acceleration, top end and handling. Although earlier you said that horsepower and torque are irrelivant and not at necessary to pus the car, so I guess that makes this point null, doesn't it?

    "supras for sale and theres a 1,250 horsepower supra that would easily humiliate the lingelifter corvette in every category"

    -I checked out the link provided and guess what? The 1,250Ho supra is running nitrous oxide. The Lingenfelter does not. When the site refers to 'idles and drives like a lexus' they are reffering to the base Stage1 kit. In order to run such high outputs from such a relativly small engine it takes more than just cramming boost and Nitrous into the intake. It takes tuning and chip modifications. When adjusting the fuel curves and other things, idle speed is sacrificed as well as reliability. Also, the fuel milage becomes horrendus. Unfortunatly bolting on some of these kits would be usless in terms of performance. Unfortunately the engine of the car is connected to things like the transmission, the driveshaft and the rear axle. When you take a car designed for 320 bhp and 315 ft lbs and suddenly increase to 1,250 hp, you will tend to wreck all of the above mentioned items because they are simply not designed to handle such power. This requires even more modification. Don't forget that all of that torque could twist the body of the car to peices and so a roll cage and strengthening would also be required. So for shear performance at the cost of driveabilty, yes, with enough money these bolt on packages could let you out run a lingenfelter. Just as an added thought I am including a link to a corvette with some tuning.

    http://www.corvettemagazine.com/2002/october/blown_Z06/futures1.ASP

    It runs a supercharged 427 LS6. With the supercharger it puts out 697 Rear Wheel Horspower and 710 ft lbs. The difference is that even with all of the work done it still gets 26.5 MPG on the highway, that's better than a stock supra.

    "also the honda accord sold more cars in 6 months than ford did in a one year basis."

    -In Canada, the best selling vehicle is the Dodge Caravan. Does that make it and all minivans superior to amazing cars like Ferraris and the mighty 787B? No, obviously not. Even for carrying passengers minivans are still terrible, whale resembeling, fwd vehicles for whipped 'family men'. What I am trying to say is that just because it sells lots doesn't mean its good. Obviously the Accord is a very well rounded car that is good for the money and well suited to its purpose (except for FWD), but comparing its sales is meaningless. Remember the abtronic things that shocked your stomach and promised to build you abs? Lots of people but them and then the company was shut down for selling a product that didn't do anything.

    "my uncle has all old cars like an oldsmobile 442, ford galaxy, he has a 57 chevy hes restoring and a 1964 and a half mustang it has a 289 in it, ehh and he only likes american cars im confused why tho,"

    -Its too bad that your uncle has such a narrow minded view. There are lots of good cars out there. As for me I only own American cars and trucks but I can still respect other companies. One day I will own a BMW.

    "all of the cars he has are slow,crappy handling, uncomfortable, unreliable, not safe at all, and i hate how in his ford galaxy u sink right into the seats practically"

    -All of the cars you mentioned are all really old cars that in their day shared or had very mildly improved supensiones of the 'family cars.' Yes even the Cutlass 442 W30 was still a family car at heart, although it was damn fast. A lot of the cars you mentioned ran leaf springs (now commonly used in pickup trucks), and handling was never an extremly high priority for the designers. Its easy to look back and complain about old cars, but think, they were made probabl before you were born. Technology has advanced a lot over the years. Most old cars safty feature was that, in an accident, the car would come out unscathed, and the people inside would be splattered all over.

    "but i learned that japanese cars kill domestic cars many ways, they may not have the biggest engines but, they cant still easily keep up and most can easily humiliate a lotta american cars and cost even less. "

    -While true, American cars can beat foreign cars in many ways. For older cars, reliability was definately an issuse, and the Japanese were some of the first to start making affordable, safe cars with nice interiors, that were quite reliable. However, after taking quite a shit kicking, the american automotive industry started to take notice of the changes going on and began to change as well. For most new cars, in terms of reliability, american cars are just as good as their japanese counterparts. Their manufacturing plants are starting to have some of the best quality in the industry. (Gm's Oshawa plant is best in North America). In terms of price, Americans are nearly on par. In terms of performance cars, the Z06 has some of the best value.

    "i would never buy an american car. ohh yea and im proud to be an american, born and raised in america in rhode island,"

    -Being patriotic to your country has nothing to do with the car you drive, it is how you feel about your country.

    "but i just dont like the cars sorry"

    -There is no need to apologize, you were just expressing your opinion as you are entitled to. America (and Canada) is a free country and you can say whatever you want, as one of your ammendments states.
     
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    i dont like this car. nothin to say really just tryin to get some more posts.
     
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    "-By drifting are you refering to rally racing? If so you would notice that american cars such as the focus do place decently in their calss. Obviously cars like the mustang and the Camaro can't keep up. They were not designed for that use. Most were designed to be affordable with decent acceleration and handling, not to be taken off road. They are not quite as nimble as the silvia (240Sx). While it is fun to drive that car, especially in the winter when you can 'drift' everywhere using the rear wheel drive to its full advantage, some of the best 'drifters' are probably the European cars."

    No, what he refers to are the Drifting races held in Japan, much different from rally racing. Basically (although they're also often held on tracks as well) these races consist of an autocross track set up on a paved parking lot, people race on these tracks in cars set up for drifting, and they drift around every corner. His point is that, well, have you ever seen a north american car pull off a drift? I sure haven't, only powerslides.
     
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    I also haven't seen many F1 or LM cars drift. I am guessing that traction must generate better times and faster speeds on paved surfaces. So I don't see the point at all. Off road, I have seen rally races where the americans 'powerslide'. While I am not examining the turns under especially close inspection, I take note that the American, European and Japanese cars all tend to have similar turns. From this I infer that they all then perform a 'powerslide' and that none of them are engaging in this supposed 'drift'. I than make another big assumption that 'powersliding' must than be best for off road, because if it wasn't, the Japanese cars, better at 'drifting', would be doing so and would win every race. Other than racing off road and on the track the only other venue I can think of for 'drifting' to prevail is drag racing. I now use my knowledge of Top Fuel Dragsters to deduce that turning isn't overly important because they suck at turning, yet are best in the world for drag racing. I then assume that drifting is a direct descendant of turning and so I completely rule it out. OF course, the above are just my hypothesise (how do you write the plural?) from my observations of racing, and so feel free to correct me if I am wrong with my assumptions. Or, failing that claim that I completly misunderstood you and put words in your mouth (I tried not to).
     
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    Well, I'm not really sure what you're talking about throughout the majority of your post. But I'll answer the jist of what you were getting at.

    Drifting is an excellent way to hold a highspeed through turns, particularly on slippery surfaces, a powerslide is what a drift turns into if the driver is not careful, in some cases because the driver accelerates too hard (if the car is RWD). In Japan, drifting races are popular because it is difficult to do well, and many view it as an artform and those races are carried out on pavement because that is even more difficult to do.

    In the WRC (or other rally championships) the cars do turn differently because of different weight distribution and driving styles, if you pay close attention you'll notice that the Focus (with the majority of it's weight is balanced in the front end) does not hold as smooth a line as say a Subaru, Peugeot, or EVO, which are more balanced front to rear.

    Because of a different weight distribution the majority of American cars do not drift well, and alot of times end up transferring too much weight, which results in a powerslide.

    If you look at the WRC no American car is good enough to do well (and if you look at the Focus, a lot of people associated with Ford's team including co-driver's admit that the driver's are carrying Ford) enough to take the manufacturer's championship.

    in F1 many of the driver's often drift just slightly, it's almost always imperceptible, but it is very common. In LeMan's they do not drift because the cars are set up to hold to the road and unlike F1 cars they are too heavy for any form of drifting to be at all beneficial.

    WTF?? Y would drifting have anything whatsoever to do with Drag racing?<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/confused.gif"></A>

    Hypotheses is the plural of Hypothesis.
     
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    What I am trying to say is that drifting can't be all to benefical to road racing because it doesn't seem to be overly used in any of the road racing which I have seen. Even the drifts in F1 seem to be driver error or the result of wheel hop from riding over the curb (I can't remember the proper name for the red and white stripped stuff that borders parts of the track). It doesn't seem to be adding anything to any major forms of racing that I can think of. My post was my cosiderations of racing and ruling it out. I must admit that I don't understand the concept of having drifting races in parking lots when traction would seem to achieve better laps. As for difficulty, try driving through turns at high speeds with your eyes closed. THat should prove to be equally if not more difficult, but I don't recomend it.

    Thanks for clearing up my 'Hypotheses' dilema. I hate all of the stupid words that don't have proper plurals like cactus and moose.
     
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    Jap cars suck and you know it. it's a poor man's excuse for a fast car. Engines are nice but body fall apart after 200 miles. How do you know what his genetailia looks like anyway. Stay off the messege boards #%$got butt!
     
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    You= Horseshit!
     
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    Halliluah!!! Some sanity in here
     
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    How come they need turbos fuker. and you have no clue what a real car is *****!
     
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    congrats! you take the dumbest person of all award. You have no right coming in here and bitching some one out like that just because they like goods cars.
     

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