Re: Can you imagine how GM guys are angry now ?

Discussion in '2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra' started by SSfearSS, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. who ever said GM was mad i never read or heard that i read ford saying after so many years of the camaros and trans emberassing the mustang we have a challenge.sure the camaro died but their engines live on inside the corvette. Oh and their is this one 302 camaro(5.0) pushing out 413 or so horses without the aid the of a charger or turbos it just impresses me how chevy does that.Its sad too how ford just gets 70 horses out of a supercharger sad and funny when the corvette pushes 405 with out the aid of a charger i repeat it again without the aid of a charger. And i love my dometik cars
     
  2. and its funny how a 4.6 pushes 320hp and is reliable enough for ford to sell it. and for how much too. look, as someone mentioned the problem with this car is the waight, if that goes than this car will rally even more. and lets not compare this car to a corvete again please, i am a ford man and i respect corvete and i know its better. there are so many euro and japs out there why compare to corvete
     
  3. The Mustang never never never never never kept up with the Camaro. From 1967 to 2002, the Camaro has always been faster than the Mustang. Don't even talk about the 2003 SVT cobra, cause Chevy didn't put out a 2003 model. <!-- Signature -->
     
  4. All I can say is that the mustang has been doing pretty well for itself for quite a few years now, especially considering it has had one arm tied behind it's back. (5.0 vs. 5.8) The plain and simple truth is that Ford has been making more and more power with less and less cubic inches than chevy has. And another thing, the mustang was never meant to compete against the 'vette, it's main rival was the camaro. The mere fact that everyone is comparing the 2003 cobra to the current vette is respect enough for me! As far as f-bodies go, they don't even compare to this animal. (I'm talking stock vs. stock here, so don't get all uppity.)<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from I bleed Ford blue</i>
    <b>All I can say is that the mustang has been doing pretty well for itself for quite a few years now, especially considering it has had one arm tied behind it's back. (5.0 vs. 5.8) The plain and simple truth is that Ford has been making more and more power with less and less cubic inches than chevy has. And another thing, the mustang was never meant to compete against the 'vette, it's main rival was the camaro. The mere fact that everyone is comparing the 2003 cobra to the current vette is respect enough for me! As far as f-bodies go, they don't even compare to this animal. (I'm talking stock vs. stock here, so don't get all uppity.)</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I agree this thing is fast, but I don't care what anyone says, and I mean anyone, this car is not STOCK! SVT may be in the same damn factory and this car may come out of the same factory but the damn thing is modified. SVT modified a "STOCK" 4.6 and dropped a blower in it, slapped on a badge and called it a Cobra! I'll only get upity about that. Second of all if there was a 03' F-Body, I bet you anything it'll whip it's ass, but there isn't a 03' F-Body so I won't go into that. My point is this Mustang boys, and I've pointed this out many times...this Cobra is a last minute effort for Ford to make as much money as they can before they can the whole thing and remake the newer generation. All they did was take the old iron based block, drop a roots-type blower in it, add some more plastic(since you guys like to think it's a totally different look!) and then charge you about 35,000 dollars to the first selected few who fall for their scheme! Then they come out with their newest generation, totally different probably a lot faster better and better looking, and people flock for it, while you guys are stuck with your old boring Cobra getting spanked by the boys who just bought a newer, much more fresher look!
    And by the way, a lot of people are claiming that Ford won the ponywars cuz of this thing and the discontinuation of the f-body, but that was just a big battle ford won, the war is just getting good, cuz we F-Body boys have been whipping your asses for ages. Finally with this car, we have some competition! The PonyWar still wages on Boys! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  6. yea but chevy doesnt do alot to their engines like ford adding chargers chevy did do a little to the 302 camaro wich does 1/4 in the low 12's ford adds a charger and gets in the twelve, dont get me wrong i love my domestiks but chevy is better ive driven a mustang and i have a camaro chevy has a harder punch
     
  7. Anyone going to reply to my above comment? You can agree with me or not but I think I made some valid points here! Don't fall for the gimmick, wait for the new generation! You buy this thing, you'll be disappointed...1. It's an old design, newer ones are comming out!
    2. All the already faster F-Bodies (the ones that count) are already modded out, so don't go thinking just becuase you have 380 under the hood, that you'll be able to take that red IROC with the 4inch hood <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> The war is just getting hot boys, let's make it a good one! Screw the r!cers, let's worry about our own, and that's Ponywars, the r!cers are like little obsticles...They're in the way! So forget about em and don't waste your fuel on them. Maybe a Supra, RX7 or two, we gotta show their flagships who rule the streets! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
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  8. #33 American HP, Aug 9, 2002
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    <b>I would like to congradulate the last mans post. Seems like the only real person who was hatein in here was that guy who talked s--t about the camaro name. Ford does have a very good meaning behind its name though. stands for FOUGHT OFF RECALL DEMAND!!!! I guess that since the mustangs have been eatin the camaro's dust since 67, it would only be proper for them to spend just a little time on top. All i can say is watch your back ford! The camaro will be back sooner than you think. Then its back to the bottom of the food chain. So to answer you back, NO....we gm lovers arent mad. We just laugh at your pathetic little attempts to get our attention. I put forth the question, would the cobra still hang with the current ss if you take off the cheesy supercharger?? Of couse there will be the people who will say why take it off. I say because it isnt raw muscle. case and point!!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Well if you ask if the cobra will hang with the camaro without the sc, then I guess I can ask you can the camaro hang with the mustang without the extra liter of engine? Lets see... no.
    With the current output of both engines the mustang would win.
    Camaro SS with a 4.6liter would put out 262hp.
    Cobra with a 5.7liter would put out 397hp.
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    Ford makes 360, 385 ,430 horsepower 351s crate engines, which is 5.8Liters.

    Oh yeah, source, http://www.fordracing.com/performanceparts/
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    It's just based on the current output of each engine, then with a little math you can figure out what a chevy 4.6liter (that they don't have), would make in the hp department. It's all about jsut doing some math, nothing more.
     
  9. Your not getting my point! I'm saying that your falling for a gimmick that ford is putting on you at the last minute so they can make as much money as they can. Dropping a Roots-Type blower does not make this a totally redesigned car. The newer generation is going to come out and blow the doors off this thing. Besides I know my car is bad-ass enough, I'm not gonna be afraid to race this thing at all. If and When the new Camaro's come out, I guarantee that it'll be back to the drawing board for Ford. Why did ford decide to drop more hp in this car? Cuz they knew that Chevy wasn't comming out with a new F-Body, so they put a blower in it and act like they came out on top. And by the way, your still not changing my mind about SVT, I don't care if it comes from the same factory, if they modify a stock 4.6 it's no longer stock! SVT is Ford's little elite tuning group, a Stock 4.6 V8 is a GT! Don't try to comment back on that, I'm not going to change my mind, and yeah I will agree SS are modified V8's too, but not as much as this hunk of shit!<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. I just don't get why you chevy people are so cocky. You know NOTHING about the new camaro, but you say that it will be sleeker, and faster than ever before. Whatever, if they are bringing back the camaro in 2004, why are they importing Holden's GTO in 2004? The GTO looks like a family sedan, will have 20,000 brought into the U.S. per year starting in 2004 (says Lutz) and has only 302HP. Sure, that'll beat the '03 Cobra or the new ones.....

    I hate writing to you about this because this is all you will respond to, but Cobras are stock. They are built in Ford factories alongside GTs by Ford employees using Ford parts. There is nothing to debate, they are stock. But if you want to stick an asterick next to the Cobra cuz you're insecure, I won't stop you.
     
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    <b>I just don't get why you chevy people are so cocky. You know NOTHING about the new camaro, but you say that it will be sleeker, and faster than ever before. Whatever, if they are bringing back the camaro in 2004, why are they importing Holden's GTO in 2004? The GTO looks like a family sedan, will have 20,000 brought into the U.S. per year starting in 2004 (says Lutz) and has only 302HP. Sure, that'll beat the '03 Cobra or the new ones.....

    I hate writing to you about this because this is all you will respond to, but Cobras are stock. They are built in Ford factories alongside GTs by Ford employees using Ford parts. There is nothing to debate, they are stock. But if you want to stick an asterick next to the Cobra cuz you're insecure, I won't stop you.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    Alright as far as the Stock issue goes, I'm no longer commenting on it, I believe what I want, I don't think it's ignorant cuz there are a lot of issues behind it so I'll leave it at that. And as far as the Holden GTO goes I really don't care, all I care about is the PonyWars in this forum. I don't know how the the 04 Camaro will be, but notice I say when and "IF" I'm still not sure about that "IF" part. But I'm just saying the obvious, you guys know a new generation of Mustangs are comming out, why bother with this?<!-- Signature -->
     
  12. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from I Hate RustStangs</i>
    <b>Your not getting my point! I'm saying that your falling for a gimmick that ford is putting on you at the last minute so they can make as much money as they can. Dropping a Roots-Type blower does not make this a totally redesigned car. The newer generation is going to come out and blow the doors off this thing. Besides I know my car is bad-ass enough, I'm not gonna be afraid to race this thing at all. If and When the new Camaro's come out, I guarantee that it'll be back to the drawing board for Ford. Why did ford decide to drop more hp in this car? Cuz they knew that Chevy wasn't comming out with a new F-Body, so they put a blower in it and act like they came out on top. And by the way, your still not changing my mind about SVT, I don't care if it comes from the same factory, if they modify a stock 4.6 it's no longer stock! SVT is Ford's little elite tuning group, a Stock 4.6 V8 is a GT! Don't try to comment back on that, I'm not going to change my mind, and yeah I will agree SS are modified V8's too, but not as much as this hunk of shit!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    you are an idiot. the car is stock. To make more horsepower for the camaro chevy puts high flowing heads on the engine, heads which flow better then most ford heads, because of this is the camaro no longer stock? NO it is stock and buy the way someone else said a saleen mustang was not stock either but guess what, it is a stock saleen mustang built at a saleen factory. also people are not getting conned here, many people like this body style a lot and would prefer it to a newer version.
     
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    <b>Your not getting my point! I'm saying that your falling for a gimmick that ford is putting on you at the last minute so they can make as much money as they can. Dropping a Roots-Type blower does not make this a totally redesigned car. The newer generation is going to come out and blow the doors off this thing. Besides I know my car is bad-ass enough, I'm not gonna be afraid to race this thing at all. If and When the new Camaro's come out, I guarantee that it'll be back to the drawing board for Ford. Why did ford decide to drop more hp in this car? Cuz they knew that Chevy wasn't comming out with a new F-Body, so they put a blower in it and act like they came out on top. And by the way, your still not changing my mind about SVT, I don't care if it comes from the same factory, if they modify a stock 4.6 it's no longer stock! SVT is Ford's little elite tuning group, a Stock 4.6 V8 is a GT! Don't try to comment back on that, I'm not going to change my mind, and yeah I will agree SS are modified V8's too, but not as much as this hunk of shit!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    you are an idiot. the car is stock. To make more horsepower for the camaro chevy puts high flowing heads on the engine, heads which flow better then most ford heads, because of this is the camaro no longer stock? NO it is stock and buy the way someone else said a saleen mustang was not stock either but guess what, it is a stock saleen mustang built at a saleen factory. also people are not getting conned here, many people like this body style a lot and would prefer it to a newer version. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You're correct on one thing, the svt cobra is a stock car. Since everything is done by ford at ford plants, how could it not be stock?!? I really don't understand "i hate rustangs" reasoning on this. As far as companies like saleen and roush, they are modded cars. They are very well done modded cars, but they are modded cars. Since they don't make their own cars (ford makes the mustang), they only add things to it. I'll say it once again for all the people out their who don't listen very well (i hate rustangs), the svt is a stock ford car, the camaro ss is a stock chevy car, nuff said.
     
  14. Whoever called me the idiot better watch out. Especially since your saying that a Saleen is stock. That's the most ignorant thing I've ever said, plus if you read more of my posts you'd see my reasoning so back off! American HP I know you don't know my reasoning but I'm saying this...I agree that it's comming out of the same damn factory and I'm sick of talking about it, you guys aren't changing my mind here, regular 4.6, add a supercharger to it, it's modded, which means it's not stock! But drop the damn stock issue, I know I brought it up, but I'm not changing my mind. OH yeah, nobody ever answered me, why bother with this car if a new look is comming in 04'? <!-- Signature -->
     
  15. #40 8694GT, Aug 9, 2002
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    people will buy this car because they like the look and know the look. Why wait for another body style you might not like. Why would anyone have bought the 1992 camaro when they knew in 1993 the style was changing? Also this car is plain and simple a great deal.
    also i stand by saying a saleen is stock because i dont even consider it a mustang, i consider it an exotic sports car produced completely by saleen and therefore leaves their factory a stock saleen car. if you bother researching this bit you will see they dont even call the cars mustangs but S281s and other models. Go to the site, read some of the stuff they say, look at the actual cars and then you will change your mind. http://www.saleen.com/home/home_set.htm?x=1
     
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    <b>Can you imagine how GM guys are angry now ?

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    the vette is quicker and it doesnt need a supercharger to do it. put a supercharger on a vette and this mustang really couldnt keep up with it. this car wasnt even built to compete with a vette, anyway. if it was they would produce more than 300 of them. there are tens of thousands of vettes on the road. and ford has no mass-produced cars that are able to compete with it. im not saying that this is a sucky car or that it is slow. obviously this is a very fast car. but thats what happens when you put a supercharger on a car, it makes it go faster. im just saying that its not a car that everybody is going to be able to have. (unlike a corvette). please dont accuse me of being a ford hater. i like fords. its just a fact that they are not as fast as chevys. i know from experience.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->



    BWAHAHA... that's funny. I'm not trying to start a flame war here but your complaing about superchargers when the corvette has q 1.1L bigger motor.
     
  17. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SSfearSS</i>
    <b>Everyone says Ford puts out more HP with a smaller engine. Lets see.

    Ford 281 ci 260hp .92hp/ci

    Chevy LS1 engine 346.9 ci .92hp/ci

    Weeeeeeeeel. I guess not, huh?

    This is STOCK power. No induction mods. Z28 vs. GT

    So. I have furthered my point that Mustang drivers have more sh*t in their brains than a Tennessee pig farm.

    FACT: Camaro F-Body's are faster
    FACT: Mustangs have a higher rating in asthetics
    FACT: SS and SVT cars are STILL STOCK
    FACT: 03' Cobra is rated as "faster"
    FACT: ONLY BY .2 SEC IN THE Q-MILE
    FACT: NO 03' CAMARO, Chevy has been the winner 93'-02'
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    Check you 'facts'. Or, math, a z28 doesn't have 319HP, and a GT doesn't have 258, but why are you even using HP/Vol., when someone was saying that Ford gets more out of a smaller engine they were probably saying they get 390-420HP out of the 4.6 vs. 325HP in the 5.7.

    The '03 Cobra won't lose .2 seconds. What do you think, they gained 70-100 horsepower and it only gained .2 seconds?

    SVT is stock, I have yet to hear any reasons against it, yet SS's are not.
     
  18. How are SS's not stock? I'd really like to hear the answer to that because they are much more stock than this SVT, whille they both may be stock, the SS's are alot closer. I think that its great the Ford is pushing the limit some, but the fact remains its not naturally aspirated. GM cars usually push the limit while remaining driveable, aka naturally aspirated. Chevy got 700+hp out of a 2.2 (not sure about the liters) 4cyl, which was naturally aspirated. To make the comparision fair, you would have to add some artificial aspiration to the chevy or take it off of the ford (which leaves the chevy/pontiac at 325hp and the ford at 260hp), granted the SVT is probably considered stock, but the motors are setup totally different. Liters don't matter, the company chooses what size to make their engines, if ford felt they wanted more power out of a mustang (without sticking a blower on it) they could've increased displacement just as easily as chevy did. Besides GM doesn't have a 2003 car to compare this to.
     
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    "How are SS's not stock? I'd really like to hear the answer to that because they are much more stock than this SVT, whille they both may be stock, the SS's are alot closer. I think that its great the Ford is pushing the limit some, but the fact remains its not naturally aspirated. GM cars usually push the limit while remaining driveable, aka naturally aspirated. Chevy got 700+hp out of a 2.2 (not sure about the liters) 4cyl, which was naturally aspirated. To make the comparision fair, you would have to add some artificial aspiration to the chevy or take it off of the ford (which leaves the chevy/pontiac at 325hp and the ford at 260hp), granted the SVT is probably considered stock, but the motors are setup totally different. Liters don't matter, the company chooses what size to make their engines, if ford felt they wanted more power out of a mustang (without sticking a blower on it) they could've increased displacement just as easily as chevy did. Besides GM doesn't have a 2003 car to compare this to. "
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    you damn idiots and your blowers,i mean honestly people,those cars have no longevity what so ever,if thats not an issue for you then look at it from a gas mileage point of few...eh? all this peice of shit mustang is,is a GT with a blower,yeah caus we all know how great gts are...#$%#ing kidding me...go test drive a real car like a ws6 trans am or a SS camaro #$%# for this price a vette!<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
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    "How are SS's not stock? I'd really like to hear the answer to that because they are much more stock than this SVT, whille they both may be stock, the SS's are alot closer. I think that its great the Ford is pushing the limit some, but the fact remains its not naturally aspirated. GM cars usually push the limit while remaining driveable, aka naturally aspirated. Chevy got 700+hp out of a 2.2 (not sure about the liters) 4cyl, which was naturally aspirated. To make the comparision fair, you would have to add some artificial aspiration to the chevy or take it off of the ford (which leaves the chevy/pontiac at 325hp and the ford at 260hp), granted the SVT is probably considered stock, but the motors are setup totally different. Liters don't matter, the company chooses what size to make their engines, if ford felt they wanted more power out of a mustang (without sticking a blower on it) they could've increased displacement just as easily as chevy did. Besides GM doesn't have a 2003 car to compare this to. "
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    you damn idiots and your blowers,i mean honestly people,those cars have no longevity what so ever,if thats not an issue for you then look at it from a gas mileage point of few...eh? all this peice of shit mustang is,is a GT with a blower,yeah caus we all know how great gts are...#$%#ing kidding me...go test drive a real car like a ws6 trans am or a SS camaro #$%# for this price a vette!<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"></b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Why would you want to drive a ws6 or camaro ss when you have a 420hp beast called the svt cobra? A gt with a blower huh...I can see that your knowledge on cars is is really high (sarcasm). The gt has a 2 valve per cylinder, will the cobra has a 4 valve per cylinder engine. Not to mention the suspension is greatly upgraded, plus lots of other things that I don't fell like spelling out to you right now, since it's gonna be hard enough for you to understand the things I just told you. As far as how great mustang gts are, hows 13.7 in the quater mile. Yeah their are faster cars, but not for $20,000!
     
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    I for one, am very happy that Ford is finally building a fast mustang. It's about friggin' time. I've blown the doors off one too many GTs and more friggin' base models than I can keep track of. However, the ultimate American sportscar will still be the Corvette Z06. Although it's more expensive than this car will be (Ford supposedly wants to produce this in the $35 K range) it is a superior design. So I don't think GM has anything to be mad about. Mustang buyers and Vette buyers are a slightly different market... just like Civic buyers and Supra buyers are a slightly different market. And unfortunately, to tell you the truth of the matter... car companies make the bulk of their profit on little compact cars and SUV's not sportscars.<!-- Signature -->
     
  22. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from hsckris</i>
    <b>How are SS's not stock? I'd really like to hear the answer to that because they are much more stock than this SVT, whille they both may be stock, the SS's are alot closer. I think that its great the Ford is pushing the limit some, but the fact remains its not naturally aspirated. GM cars usually push the limit while remaining driveable, aka naturally aspirated. Chevy got 700+hp out of a 2.2 (not sure about the liters) 4cyl, which was naturally aspirated. To make the comparision fair, you would have to add some artificial aspiration to the chevy or take it off of the ford (which leaves the chevy/pontiac at 325hp and the ford at 260hp), granted the SVT is probably considered stock, but the motors are setup totally different. Liters don't matter, the company chooses what size to make their engines, if ford felt they wanted more power out of a mustang (without sticking a blower on it) they could've increased displacement just as easily as chevy did. Besides GM doesn't have a 2003 car to compare this to. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    This is retarded... why are we talking about whether SVT and SS are stock or not??? Who cares!!! Just because a car isn't N/A doesn't mean it's not stock! Look at the WRX! The 3000GT VR-4! The RX-7! Aren't they STOCK with turbos! Yes, they are. SVT has been making the focus for a while, isn't it made stock? And the SS badge has been around since before I was born... so I'd have to say that supersports are stock too. But this is a stupid argument, cause who gives a shit if it's stock or not? Bottom line, it's a fast car, from the factory... best Mustang Ford's ever made... still not as good as a Corvette in all aspects of driving, but it will do great in the straight line... which is something for Mustang drivers to look forward to since they've been losing there for a long, long, long, long, long, long time.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>How are SS's not stock? I'd really like to hear the answer to that because they are much more stock than this SVT, whille they both may be stock, the SS's are alot closer. I think that its great the Ford is pushing the limit some, but the fact remains its not naturally aspirated. GM cars usually push the limit while remaining driveable, aka naturally aspirated. Chevy got 700+hp out of a 2.2 (not sure about the liters) 4cyl, which was naturally aspirated. To make the comparision fair, you would have to add some artificial aspiration to the chevy or take it off of the ford (which leaves the chevy/pontiac at 325hp and the ford at 260hp), granted the SVT is probably considered stock, but the motors are setup totally different. Liters don't matter, the company chooses what size to make their engines, if ford felt they wanted more power out of a mustang (without sticking a blower on it) they could've increased displacement just as easily as chevy did. Besides GM doesn't have a 2003 car to compare this to. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    SLP is an outside tuning company, meaning they have nothing to do with Chevy. They take the camaro from the factory to their separate headquarters, which has nothing to do with GM. If Chevy made the SS it would be stock, but they don't. They make the Z28 which is stock, but give the SS to a tuning company, so the SS is modified. Someone can probably explain it better, but this is the main idea.
     
  24. SLP has a lot to do with GM! The Z28 is the GT's competition and the SS is the Cobra's. All of these cars were NA and the F-bodies raped the Mustangs in all categories, why? Cuz the 4.6 blows, so what did Ford do? Drob a blower in it...Cheaters! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> <!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>SLP has a lot to do with GM! The Z28 is the GT's competition and the SS is the Cobra's. All of these cars were NA and the F-bodies raped the Mustangs in all categories, why? Cuz the 4.6 blows, so what did Ford do? Drob a blower in it...Cheaters! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Well if thats cheating then I'm all for it. I'll take 420hp from a stock engine anyday, blower or not!
     

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