ford has its priorities wrong...... what was ford thinking when they made a v8 that only pumped out 300 bhp. i never really liked the mustang, but unlike a lot of the 15 yr old kids that come to these boards and talk shit about cars when they know nothing, i never ragged on the mustang. i am fine with it being a domestic....i like cars no matter who manufactures them. so if you're a stupid little #$%#nut who came here to talk smack about domestic vs. jap, **** OFF!!!!! ok, that was my first point. now i ask...why is this mustang so underpowered? and a five-spd manual? why not a 6-speed? i think when they were drawing up this car their priorities would be to up the power significantly from the present GT and add better brakes, suspension, lighten it a little, and put the cobra front fascia (if not the whole thing) on. i dunno what to say about this. any other opinions? davidho<!-- Signature -->
The reason that this only has 300 horses and a five speed is the same: to cut cost. I said it before, the Mustang is more about appearance than engineering. Besides, mating a 6-speed to a $20,000 car is a bit of overkill, don't you think?
Mustangs leave a lot of room for improvement. Look under the hood and you will notice a huge amount of space to work with. Not that 300hp is low anyways, what the hell are you talking about? The death of the muscle car was insurance and emissions (among other things) so Ford gives you a starting point for very cheap with thousands upon thousands of aftermarket parts... <!-- Signature -->
Ford won't put the 6-speed in the mach1, they want there to be reason why you would spend lots more money on the new Cobra, which has the 6 spd.
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from davidho25</i> <b>what was ford thinking when they made a v8 that only pumped out 300 bhp. i never really liked the mustang, but unlike a lot of the 15 yr old kids that come to these boards and talk shit about cars when they know nothing, i never ragged on the mustang. i am fine with it being a domestic....i like cars no matter who manufactures them. so if you're a stupid little #$%#nut who came here to talk smack about domestic vs. jap, **** OFF!!!!! ok, that was my first point. now i ask...why is this mustang so underpowered? and a five-spd manual? why not a 6-speed? i think when they were drawing up this car their priorities would be to up the power significantly from the present GT and add better brakes, suspension, lighten it a little, and put the cobra front fascia (if not the whole thing) on. i dunno what to say about this. any other opinions? davidho</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->WRONG, yeah, try putting this baby on a Dyno, do your research, Ford is understating the power for insurance reasons, and many teenagers wouldnt even know what the hell a Mach 1 is, unlike me, im only 16, and i know a good car when i see one, seeing as you couldnt tell a 5/16" socket from your dick<!-- Signature -->
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Falcon1</i> <b>Hey I have question for rixochet what does gtp mean on a Grad prix, I have always wondered</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> GTP Means Supercharged Grand Prix
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Jeremy96GASE</i> <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Falcon1</i> <b>Hey I have question for rixochet what does gtp mean on a Grad prix, I have always wondered</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> GTP Means Supercharged Grand Prix</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> LMAO can't believe someone thinks those numbers are right. They always over rate their power. It's probly only about 270.
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from yourass</i> <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Jeremy96GASE</i> <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Falcon1</i> <b>Hey I have question for rixochet what does gtp mean on a Grad prix, I have always wondered</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> GTP Means Supercharged Grand Prix</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> LMAO can't believe someone thinks those numbers are right. They always over rate their power. It's probly only about 270.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> I think what you are refering to is the 98' Cobra, which had about 300hp as opposed to the advertised 320. They actually fixed that prob no cost for the people who bought those. Rest assured that was a one time deal.<!-- Signature -->
when i said 300 hp wasn't that much, i meant compared to what one would expect from a mustang that is supposed to be of higher ranking than the GT. let's see the 2001 GT has 260bhp and 302ft-lbs of torque. this with a MOD V8 which i'm not sure what the MOD signifies should up the horsepower and torque a little more than that. i mean if this is supposed to jus serve as a car for people to reminisce about the old days of the mustang then this serves its purpose. i'd jus expect more from it. and i never considered the fact that ford may have kept the numbers down for insurance purposes...which could very well be the reason. and by the way, when i was talking about 15yr olds not knowing stuff about cars and coming to these forums to piss ppl off, i meant in general. of course there are always exceptions, so dont take offense so quickly because you know and i know there are a lot of teenagers out there who think they're the shit but dont. kudos to you pyro maniac since you know your stuff so well, i dont mean to diss you. jus speaking in general...back off davidho
O.K. look, Ford has their reasons for making a car that is only a Gt with minor upgrades. Actually this is a pretty big jump from the regular GT. The Bullitt only has 10 more hp than the Gt and its performance numbers are about the same as the z28 which used to beat the Gt pretty bad. So I think this is gonna be a prtty good car for what youre paying. Quit talkin like you know everything about how a car should have been built. Besides if Ford really wanted to build a fast car which they have with the Boss 429 (94) they would put it out. If youre not satisfied with this Mach 1, go buy a new cobra, the top speed is over 175, its probably gonna be a close competitor to the vette.
MOD V8, I am presuming they are reffering to Modular. As in, a modular engine which can be be sawn off to be made a V6, to save them from having to cast two seperate blocks from factory.<!-- Signature -->
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from sparetire</i> <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from yourass</i> <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Jeremy96GASE</i> <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Falcon1</i> <b>Hey I have question for rixochet what does gtp mean on a Grad prix, I have always wondered</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> GTP Means Supercharged Grand Prix</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> LMAO can't believe someone thinks those numbers are right. They always over rate their power. It's probly only about 270.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> I think what you are refering to is the 98' Cobra, which had about 300hp as opposed to the advertised 320. They actually fixed that prob no cost for the people who bought those. Rest assured that was a one time deal.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> It was actually the '99 Cobra, but that was just one mistake (which they fixed in a recall for free and got the advertised 320HP). Since then Ford has been underating the power. MM and FF or 5.0 (can't remember) tested 2 GTs, each one dynoed at 262HP/311TQ
Ford under rates power? HAHAHAHAHA I find that funny when for years and years fords supposedly eaqual cobra msutang has been consistantly spanked by Chevy, when even the 99-02 cobras with 320 gets beaten by a heavier SS?!?!?! no no no, Chevy has a history of undder rating power in all of their cars back to the beginning, in the camaro how much power did the first Z28 have? in 1967 chevy said that the Z28 was advertised at just over 300 hp, but in reality on their own tests it tested in that small 302 V8 at 440hp at 6000 rpm and 432 in "full vehicle dress", now thats under rating. I can go on and on about Chevy's history of underrating, vettes, chevelle ss396 blah blah blah, so much. Dont believe me? Fine here is the original memo (inner office) from General Motors on the hp of the race derived Camaro Z28. My poin with all of this is that i do not believe for one second that Ford under rates their stuff if anything i would guess that they over rate it to compete, show me a dyno sheet of one of these stock over rated mustangs and i will believe with out question.So in order to be fair i will post my own dyno sheet, which is actualy the test run by the man who owned my baby before i bought here last month, when she was stock fress off the factory floor with only 1500 or so miles on her.
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/archives/tech/0502_tech01.shtml They got 260/312 as opposed to the official 260/302. You are thinking of the '99 in which there were horsepower problems, but since they have underated the GTs and Cobra.
you know thats not bad advertised hp, at the crank and more than advertised torque, both are respectable numbers, but take that 18 percent drive train loss and ad that to the dyno sheet of my F body's 306 rwhp and 318.1 rwtq, and see what you get, ok fine i wil tell you, it is 361.08 crank hp and 375.358 crank torque, now THAT is under rating an engine!
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from bigrob</i> <b>you know thats not bad advertised hp, at the crank and more than advertised torque, both are respectable numbers, but take that 18 percent drive train loss and ad that to the dyno sheet of my F body's 306 rwhp and 318.1 rwtq, and see what you get, ok fine i wil tell you, it is 361.08 crank hp and 375.358 crank torque, now THAT is under rating an engine!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Do you have an auto? The auto's lose more hp from the fly to wheels than manuals, but if you have a manual it won't be that 18% That is underating, though. Ford underates a good bit, but if you got 306/318 at the wheels in your auto z28 that is alot. That's stock?
I believe the reason they went with a 5-speed with this car aside from shaving costs was this is a throw-back car the Mach 1 name means stoplight races, as fast as u can 0-60. You dont need a 6-speed unless your racing on a road course. In a drag race you'll only get to 4th gear, and if u ask me thats what this car is something to pull up at the light and then smile in the rear-view mirror.
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Hoseman</i> <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from bigrob</i> <b>you know thats not bad advertised hp, at the crank and more than advertised torque, both are respectable numbers, but take that 18 percent drive train loss and ad that to the dyno sheet of my F body's 306 rwhp and 318.1 rwtq, and see what you get, ok fine i wil tell you, it is 361.08 crank hp and 375.358 crank torque, now THAT is under rating an engine!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Do you have an auto? The auto's lose more hp from the fly to wheels than manuals, but if you have a manual it won't be that 18% That is underating, though. Ford underates a good bit, but if you got 306/318 at the wheels in your auto z28 that is alot. That's stock?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> NBo it is a stick so the power loss is somewhere around 12- 14% but i used the numebrs that they used in the article i was linked to. And yeah it is stock still, not for long but still stock. I was really impressed when he showed me that dyno sheet and th epic of her on the dyno But yeah, she is stock, with a stick, probably closer to 345 350 at the fly i am too lazy to do more calculations, maybe later
<!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from rixochet</i> <b>Mustangs leave a lot of room for improvement. Look under the hood and you will notice a huge amount of space to work with. Not that 300hp is low anyways, what the hell are you talking about? The death of the muscle car was insurance and emissions (among other things) so Ford gives you a starting point for very cheap with thousands upon thousands of aftermarket parts... </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Damn. Finally someone that knows the REAL DEAL behind Fords thinking. Insurance and Emissions definatly made a hole in the Muscle Car manufacturers, so Ford among others got wise and did the only thing that they could to keep people happy and themselves in business. I cant think of any other car that can give u that much HP without leaving you bankrupt. Yes we all agree, Mustang lovers and mustang haters that the regular mustang is underpowered. But at least Ford gave you other options if you wanted a high powered mustang and didnt mind paying alot of money and high insurance (ie: SALEEN-STEEDA-ROUSH-SVT)
The Cobra and SS have equal horsepower. The SS is faster (and not by much) because it has the power and more torque at a lower RPM, closer gear ratios, 6 speeds, and has 1.1 litres on it. I would think it should be a little faster.