Re: QUAD TURBO?!

Discussion in '1992 Bugatti EB110 SS' started by blazerebel, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. The name for a turbo/supercharged engine is "twincharged." and the motercycle is called boss hog.<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. QUAD TURBO?!
     
  3. Yeah, they entered a couple of these in a Le Mans 24 hours race (1994 I guess) and whadda ya think.... one of the turbo's broke down... WITH ALL CARS! So it's NOT reliable!!!
    Still kicks ass though... it was the fastest of the world for a while with 354 kph. I have one 1/18<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Skaman</i>
    <b>Yeah, they entered a couple of these in a Le Mans 24 hours race (1994 I guess) and whadda ya think.... one of the turbo's broke down... WITH ALL CARS! So it's NOT reliable!!!
    Still kicks ass though... it was the fastest of the world for a while with 354 kph. I have one 1/18</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I have one 1/43 minichamps <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">

    Is 4 turbos enough though ?, I would have thought it needed more... maybe a coupe of superchargers as well .. that would spice it up a bit !! plus if one of the turbos did break, you could switch to the superchargers <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  5. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SuperSonic</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Skaman</i>
    <b>Yeah, they entered a couple of these in a Le Mans 24 hours race (1994 I guess) and whadda ya think.... one of the turbo's broke down... WITH ALL CARS! So it's NOT reliable!!!
    Still kicks ass though... it was the fastest of the world for a while with 354 kph. I have one 1/18</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I have one 1/43 minichamps <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">

    Is 4 turbos enough though ?, I would have thought it needed more... maybe a coupe of superchargers as well .. that would spice it up a bit !! plus if one of the turbos did break, you could switch to the superchargers <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"></b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    Hey buddy. Go learn something. You can only place one supercharger on a engine. Also, you can't mix turbos and superchargers.
     
  6. 4 turbos on one very small bored and short stroked v12 would not be known as a reliable engine. And that engine better have a very effective cooling system since the temperatures will become way too hot. Another car with a larger V12 and quad turbos was the Ford GT90 concept.<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from DriveEuro</i>
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    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Skaman</i>
    <b>Yeah, they entered a couple of these in a Le Mans 24 hours race (1994 I guess) and whadda ya think.... one of the turbo's broke down... WITH ALL CARS! So it's NOT reliable!!!
    Still kicks ass though... it was the fastest of the world for a while with 354 kph. I have one 1/18</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I have one 1/43 minichamps <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">

    Is 4 turbos enough though ?, I would have thought it needed more... maybe a coupe of superchargers as well .. that would spice it up a bit !! plus if one of the turbos did break, you could switch to the superchargers <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"></b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->


    Hey buddy. Go learn something. You can only place one supercharger on a engine. Also, you can't mix turbos and superchargers.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Jesus Christ have u heard of sarcasm or jokes... Jesus Christ !!!
    I bet u could have both if you really wanted though !!??<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. You obviously don't know anything about LM. Every single car in the entire race breaks down. If you go to LM something will break. Maybe you'll only need your gearbox replaced, maybe you'll only need part of your body replaced, maybe your engine will blow up, or maybe you'll end up flying with Mercedes CLR airlines. Bugatti tried one boost setting and it didn't work. The turbo went and that was the end of it. Mercedes tried one undertranny setting and their cars went flying. NHRA dragsters commonly burn out without the driver doing anything wrong. I'm sure Bugatti had reliability covered.
     
  9. you can mix turbos with superchagers on of the groupe b cars had it
    eather the audi or the pug!!!<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. on the turbo/supercharger topic...

    i read RECENTLY in one of my import magazines that this guy wrote in and said he had a supercharger for lower RPM to get the car going, and he had a turbo for high-end performance

    SO THERE!!!
     
  11. In the 80's, Lancia had a Group B rally car with a supercharger and turbocharger. It took them ages to get it to work right though.
     
  12. it is possible to have multiple superchargers both centrifugal and roots type. because centrifugal superchargers are very similar to turbos they can be matched up similarly and twin roots type superchargers can be had with a custom intake manifold. if you dont know what the roots type looks like it is the kind that sits on top of the engine connected directly to the intake manifold. it is used on the 2003 SVT cobra
     
  13. This thing had 4 small turbos in order to reduce lag as much as possible because in the early 90's they didn't have the measures we have today to reduce lag, And twin turbos on a 12 cylinder would have alot of lag and Bugatti tried to counter-act that by fitting 4 turbos instead of 2
     
  14. actually quad turbo isn't that outrageous. to simplfy plumbing, they use a twin turbo on each bank of cylinders. so in actuality this is like two inline sixes each with a sequential twin turbo to provdide bth low down and high end boost. actually a supercharger and turbo can be mixed but it would be pointless and be too much of a hassle. 1) backpressure 2) turbo is superior to supercharger 3) if you use a really big turbo and mix it with a centrifugal supercharger, they would actually provide boost at about the same time,...which makes it pointless. if you used a roots type blower whcih is inefficient and creates a lot of heat you would mess your internals. but yes it is possible look at jeff meguiars acura integra. supercharged and turbocharged 20 lbs of boost. before anyone brings up top fuel as the reason supers are better turbos actualy were used when top fuel only ran at 20 % nitro and they driveline couldn't handle the power produced by a turbo. on a typical top fuel 900 hp is lost due to the supercharger running off the crankshaft. anyways if you would like to argue...stunn_inferno@hotmail.com
     
  15. in an issue of hot rod magazine one gentelman had a nova with a 6-71 blower (supercharger usaly seen sticking through the hood) and twin turbos, the combination was not very streetable, also a a car show someone elese had a boss hoss? whitch is a harley with a chevy 350 v8 and he had made a custom manifold to hold 2 6-71 blowers. these combinations are only for show as that much boost (total of 30-60+ psi) would destroy almost any engine (stock or modified)that is why it is not commonly seen.<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from eggy87</i>
    <b>You obviously don't know anything about LM. Every single car in the entire race breaks down. If you go to LM something will break. Maybe you'll only need your gearbox replaced, maybe you'll only need part of your body replaced, maybe your engine will blow up, or maybe you'll end up flying with Mercedes CLR airlines. Bugatti tried one boost setting and it didn't work. The turbo went and that was the end of it. Mercedes tried one undertranny setting and their cars went flying. NHRA dragsters commonly burn out without the driver doing anything wrong. I'm sure Bugatti had reliability covered.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I do know my stuff about LM, trust me. And they had to withdraw every car from the (I though 1994) race. Reliability was not covered. I suppose they thought it was useless to replace the turbo's knowing for sure it was gonna blow again.<!-- Signature -->
     
  17. And this is how it really is:

    It was in 1994 that Bugatti was to appear again at LeMans, after their last appearance (and win) 55 years before, with the famous T57G "tank".
    1994 was the year that Le Mans would be made more popular, the specially designed race monsters would be banned, and only "normal" productions cars would be allowed to enter. However Porsche found a way out of these regulations with the "Dauer Porsche", effectively a Porsche 962 purpose built car, converted for road use, and then converted back to race. This was quite some faster than the rest, and would eventually win. Of the real GT class, the Bugatti proved fastest in training, in the GT1 class (engines up to 600HP). In the same class competed MVS Venturis, De Tomaso Panteras, Dodge Vipers, Porsches Carrera RSR (and the famous Dauer Porsches). Apart from this were the GT2 class (up to 450HP) and some others.

    In this training, a month for the race, the Bugatti was fastest in class, looking and sounding gorgeous, and going quickly, despite the weight penalty of the four-wheel-drive. It was only just faster than the MVS Venturis, and 25 seconds slower than the Dauer Porsches.

    For the race itself, I quote from Autosport:
    "Leading the way in the GT class should have been the Bugatti EB110SS, driven by touring car oldtimer Alain Cudini and French young guns Eric Helary and Jean-Christophe "Jules" Bouillon. The Italian supercar looked set for a top-six finish despite a very slow start...

    One hour before the race, the local Synergic team, which was running the car for publishing magnate Michel Hommell, discovered a fuel leak. The only solution available to mend the car in time for the race was a tube of Araldite.

    This allowed the car to do the first couple of shifts with its fuel tank half full. Once the Araldite had dried and the car was able to take on a full load of fuel, the Bugatti quickly moved through the field to take up a place in the top 10. But just as it had established itself ahead of the Larbre RSR Porsche as the leading GT car (not counting the Dauer cars), the Bugatti suffered turbo problems. All four turbos were changed, and one of them even twice for good measure. The team's ambition to finish the race came to an end in the dying laps when the car turned left into the barriers on the Mulsanne straight, a tyre failure was suspected to be the cause. The best of the rest in the GT1 class, proved to be the Dodge Viper RT/10, driven by Rene Arnoux, Justin Bell and Bertrand Balas.


    Hehe, just love that Dauer962LM... Talking about evading regulations, brilliant <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
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  18. There is a Lamborghini Diablo out there that has twin superchargers you can see it at Lambocars.com. I also know of a land speed record 18 wheeler that had a 1,479ci V16 diesel with 4 turbos AND 2 superchargers
     
  19. Quote from DriveEuro
    Quote from SuperSonic
    Quote from Skaman
    Yeah, they entered a couple of these in a Le Mans 24 hours race (1994 I guess) and whadda ya think.... one of the turbo's broke down... WITH ALL CARS! So it's NOT reliable!!!
    Still kicks ass though... it was the fastest of the world for a while with 354 kph. I have one 1/18

    I have one 1/43 minichamps

    Is 4 turbos enough though ?, I would have thought it needed more... maybe a coupe of superchargers as well .. that would spice it up a bit !! plus if one of the turbos did break, you could switch to the superchargers


    Hey buddy. Go learn something. You can only place one supercharger on a engine. Also, you can't mix turbos and superchargers.

    yeah you can. i was reading an article in Max Power a couple weeks ago, and this person was gonna twin turbo his integra, but he decised to turbocharge and supercharge it, and it worked like a dream.

    sorry to burst your bubble.

    They both work on the same principal of "force feeding", so there's no reson to why this won't work.
     
  20. I read that aswell. About that guy who wrote in and said he had a supercharger for lower RPM to get the car going, and he had a turbo for high-end performance.
     
  21. no, you go learn something, you can put as many turbos as you want on an engine. they just have to force air in the engine through the same entrance. And you can mix turbo and supercharger. Ford did it on the ford rs200 rally car.
     
  22. It's just the matter of compatibility. It might work awesome, It might work ok, It might not work at all, or it could destroy you. LOL!
     
  23. it was the delta S4. imagine that! low-end boost wiv a supercharger, top-end boost wiv a turbocharger.

    the most efficient engine.
     
  24. or, a 800CHP (1 liter) i-2, that would be nice...lol, that would mean that the diablo 6.0 would have...3200CHP, OOH
     
  25. 4 turbos on a v12? Its always the Euro exotics that you see something as insane as this, and when you know that all you need is a vette with a single turbo to end this car.
     

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