Re: Road & Track NSX vs. 911 vs. '02 Z06 comparo

Discussion in '1987 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3 Cabriolet' started by TylerDurden, Aug 10, 2002.

  1. Road & Track NSX vs. 911 vs. '02 Z06 comparo

    Has anyone seen the latest R&T comparo between the new Acura NSX, '02 Corvette Z06 and '02 911? They took three drivers, all at different levels of experience, and each one of them took their turn behind the wheel of each of these beauties. The most experienced driver was none other than professional racer Steve Millen, and the cars were tested at Laguna Seca raceway.

    There's been a lot of heated discussion going around over whether an '02 Z06 can beat a 911 Turbo around a track. This, I hope, will be able to shed some light on the topic. Steve Millen's times around Laguna Seca were under 2:00 for all the cars in the test, but the two most interesting times were the ones obtained for the 911 (note: 102bhp less than the Turbo) and the Z06. Millen's time in the Z06 was 1:56.73, while in the 911 he logged a lap time of 1:57.23, a difference of only +0.45 sec for the 911. Now, I realize that the reason for this comparison was to keep all three cars in the same price range, but also worthy of note is that Chevy's and Acura's flagship models were put up against one of Porsche's mid-mast models. Were the 996 Turbo included in the comparison, I'm sure it would undercut the Z06's time by a significant amount.<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. so in other words porsche wins again.<!-- Signature -->
     
  3. I personally think it is a bit weird putting a rear engined Flat 6 sports car up against a V6 mid engined supercar up against a front engined V8 muscle car, not exactly in the same boat concept wise.

    Here in Australia a base 911 costs $181 000 (AUS) and the NSX costs $245 000 (AUS). The 'Vette has never been sold here, but recent engineering and market analysis studies have been conducted by General Motors Holden (we MAY see it here next year, but I personally doubt it as it would not sell in sufficent numbers at the projected price) have put the pricing at about $160 000 (for the base model) and I would assume up to $180 000 - $200 000 for the Z06 (which is really unlikley to come 'down under'). I can't see many Aussies buying a muscle car for that amount of money (especially an American built car) when they can get a porsche for similar money (most moneyed Aussies appreciate build quality, driving dynamics and prestiege/history when spending BIG money on cars).

    Also BMW M3's are only $135 000...

    What countries besides those in North America are Corvettes sold (I know they go to the UK in limited numbers)?<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. Whoa...you have to pay 250,000 for a NSX in Australia???They're only in the $80,000's and $90,000's here in the US....and Z06's are nowhere near that
     
  5. Yeah, I saw the competetion, and the 911 lost to the Z06. Also the Z06 costs a lot less than the 911. If you're going to bring the 911 Turbo into it then you're totally stupid, you could get 2 and a half Z06's for the same price. Or you could mod the shit out of the Z06 and then destroy the Turbo. Don't get me wrong, I love the Turbo, but to compare it to a Z06 is retarted.

    Angus
     
  6. I'm not sure if the UK gets them, but if they do they probably are different from the ones North America gets. Because I know that in the UK they get the Viper, but its a really wimpy one.

    Angus
     
  7. I've seen many C4 and C5 'Vettes in Sweden when I was there this summer. Sweden seems to be the only place in Europe where I've seen muscle cars.
     
  8. hes talkin AUD (australian dollars)
    $1 AUD is like 60 cents usd or so i think
     
  9. First of all, $90k in the U.S. money = around $180k in Australia, so it's not that crazy. Furthermore, our import duty is a killer. On another note, hmm, let me think, should I take the grossly overpriced Japanese underperformer, the American-built deathtrap with Bosnian build quality and a prehistoric engine, or the attractively-priced German marvel of modern engineering? I think I'll take the Porsche. All we need in this comparo is an M3! <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  10. First of all, $90k in the U.S. money = around $180k in Australia, so it's not that crazy. Furthermore, 1. our import duties, and 2. our luxury car tax (which shouldn't apply to the NSX, but probably does anyway) are killers. On another note, hmm, let me think, should I take the grossly overpriced Japanese underperformer, the American-built deathtrap with Bosnian build quality and a prehistoric engine, or the attractively-priced German marvel of modern engineering? I think I'll take the Porsche. All we need in this comparo is an M3! <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  11. I like your thinking.
     
  12. Yes, no further questions.
     
  13. #13 fannin, Jun 11, 2003
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    Here are comparisons from both Road and Track, and Car and Driver, where the Z06 beat the 911 Turbo's track times:

    http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=155&page_number=1

    http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=3822&page_number=1

    In that Car and Driver test, the Z06 even beats the 911 Turbo 0-60, and gets better braking times.

    Your prehistoric engine comment was especially hilarious since the Z06 engine has much more horsepower and torque than the (more expensive) standard 911, and even gets better gas milage. It's also lighter weight than the M3's puny 6 cylinder that you seem to like. Also, you don't have to worry about the Z06 engine blowing up like you do with the M3.

    A normally aspirated little 6 cylinder engine simply can't compete with a large displacement V8.
     
  14. you have to throw out the price factor. first off, the porsche is a MUCH nicer car. just overall, its much nicer, that cannot be disputed. corvettes interiors are atrocious, and very very cheap looking. also the porsches all come with many things the z06 could only dream of like variocam, PSM, much more well built everything, something called an interior, and lil handy things like having all the cylenders of the car are removeable, in case you blow one, you can replace it, not the whole engine. also, the porsche has all the import taxes and costs with it. i also hear the handleing ont he porsche is much better to drive with, it feels more predictable and in control. ok from a neutral( so prices would be more balanced, and everyting) site mag, the 911 turbo is the #1 rated car int he world by car magazine, above a zonda, murcielago, 575, everything. and yes, price is factored in, and they saw that you definately get what you pay for.

    the z06 is a great car, specially for tis price, but it is had to compare these 2. the z06 is a engine on wheels with a ton of grip, and fairly good handleing, while a porsche is an overall great car with an extreme polish on it.

    as for on a track, the z06 prob shud be able to beat a 911, as it is pushing about 100 more hp. but vs a turbo, the verdict is much much closer. ive seen many dif race results, and from what ive seen, the turbo usually comes out on top, but that could easily be due to the driver.


    well thats my 2 cents
     
  15. How does it win when it loses to a much cheaper car? Are you saying that since porsche has a car that is 2 and half times the cost it wins?
     

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