Re: This is to Rashid007 and the rest of you American Haters

Discussion in '2001 Honda NSX-R Concept' started by Mishima, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. I think most american cars uses plastic...<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. hehe I'm talking about quality.<!-- Signature -->
     
  3. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Chii</i>
    <b>hehe I'm talking about quality.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    hehehe
    they are all cheap then :p
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  4. true, very true.<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. they probably don't need or don't know what luxury is<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. Hope they'll learn.<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. Yeah but for $10K I have a Yamaha R1. That would smoke any car, 0-60, 1.4 mile, and depending on the car top speed.

    Even in the turns, the R1 would leave most cars behind, (if you get really leaned over).

    But then. so what>?

    A car is a personal choice.

    Personally i love all cars, US, Jap, Euro. There are good and bad cars in almost every manufacturer. Instead of arguing about which car is better/faster, we should just learn to appreciate each car for what it is.

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  8. For 10 grand, you'll also get drenched when it start pouring outside!! Bad enough as it is that people are comparing Corvettes to Civics all over this forum, now somebody's actually comparing a motorcycle to a car!! Hey, an occasional car vs. bike drag race, I can understand, but to compare the sheer mechanics of a car and a bike is just plain silly.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>so ummm american cars not being fast eh
    do you guys get Moter Trend where they tested the Lingenfelters new vette, 0-60 in under 2 secs still not fast enough for you 0-150 miles 9.59 secs this things goes like a rape snake this thing is one of the best handleing Front engine Rear Wheel drives there is it holds it own but going against Mid engine cars that have near prefect weight distrobution it should get beaten but in most cases it don't cause once the vette hits a straight away she is gone</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    yeah, you noticed also, straight away.<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. alright you #%$s the reason that mustangs are so cheep is because the v6's are the anchors for the whole mustang production line they sell more of these in order to keep there production going
    hense gm failing miserable therefore no more transam or camaro
    too bad so sad
    a suped up mustang will keep up with any car you can toss at it so were you get off with saying these i dont know
    bad mouth the looks all you want i know that it is personal opinion but lay off the performance because if you know anything at all that a suped up mustang can keep up with the best of them
    nothing against the transam and camero they are both incredible cars
     
  11. Are you saying a tuned car can't keep up with a Mustang or even just a Camaro?<!-- Signature -->
     
  12. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Will938</i>
    <b>Dinsum: I don't think you know what you're talking about. Resale bad on all american cars? ZR-1, ZL-1, Cuda, Impala, Dart, Charger, ect. ect. increase in value every year. European & Jap cars have good resale because they come from another shore and don't send too many of them over. The reason that cars like the supra are way overpriced is because of promotions from movies. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->WTF are you talking about. The supra isnt just expensive because of promortions from movies. Ever since the 4th generation Supra that gave all the muscle heads a wake up call, theyve always been expensive but not because of there promotions from movies but because of there performance and the fact that they were very few in numbers compared to the likes of the Vette. And ZR-1, ZL-1, Cuda, Impala, Dart, Charger, ect. ect. dont increase in value they just dont decrease all that much each year.<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. Lingenfelter

    So if I am driving a 76 Accord stocker, and let's say for argument's sake, I outrun you on a road course or track, and get a lower time, and you r driving a Viper, does that mean my car handles better? True, driver ability has a lot 2 do w/ it, but handling is subjective mostly. It has to do with steering, propensity for under/over-steer, and various other factors.

    Absolute grip is but one aspect; one easily changed, simply fit bigger, stickier tires on it. I cud. get a 60's Caddy, probably one of the floatiest cars ever made, put 18 inch wheels on it, with say, Pirelli P-Zeros, and then proceed to outhandle a newer car.

    (I am aware that these comparos. r stupid, that's the point).

    Tire choice by a particular manufacturer is chosen v. carefully and if grip was all that matters, all sports cars would be wearing huge tires. (the majority do, but some still don't).

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    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Will938</i>
    <b>Dinsum: I don't think you know what you're talking about. Resale bad on all american cars? ZR-1, ZL-1, Cuda, Impala, Dart, Charger, ect. ect. increase in value every year. European & Jap cars have good resale because they come from another shore and don't send too many of them over. The reason that cars like the supra are way overpriced is because of promotions from movies. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->WTF are you talking about. The supra isnt just expensive because of promortions from movies. Ever since the 4th generation Supra that gave all the muscle heads a wake up call, theyve always been expensive but not because of there promotions from movies but because of there performance and the fact that they were very few in numbers compared to the likes of the Vette. And ZR-1, ZL-1, Cuda, Impala, Dart, Charger, ect. ect. dont increase in value they just dont decrease all that much each year.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Oh yeah, the ragged out old supras that wern't worth a damn were sold for much more than they were worth only after f&f came out because people just noticed that they were rare.

    Really? Know the MSRP on a 1971 Cuda of any kind??? Lets see given that rates have changed a 440 six pack cuda costed like 4k when it was produced and is now worth 55k. A 426 Cuda was worth maybe 6k and is now worth 80k easy. ZL1 Camaro? MSRP 7k is now worth 160k. Their value skyrockets every year.
     
  15. Re: Toyota value

    I remember that car! Only 337 of them were made. They have one nice Interior and great handling capabilities.
     

  16. Re: This is to Rashid007 and the rest of you American Haters


    What is Lincoln and Cadillac then? Caddy's are reguarded as the cream of the crop in terms of luxury. Very few cars can compete with Cadillac, and those who do aren't in the Caddy's price range, so let off, even for just a little.
     
  17. In theory yes, skidpad is what holds speed through banks and turns, however theory can be misleading, this one in particular is very misleading, as it fails to take into account all sorts of factors.

    The main factor that affects the car at all times is the weight distribution of the car.

    Skidpad rating doesn't mean shit when you don't include the speed, sure, a lot of domestic cars may be able to hold the road well when handling a lot of g's, but they also generate more g's at slower speeds. So a car with a high skidpad rating that doesn't transfer the weight that well will hold the road just as well as a car with a lower skidpad rating that transfers the weight better, but won't necessarily corner better.

     
  18. for $40,000 less you can get a 911 turbo, that puts up a better 0-60, and handles better then your saleen, so you are paying $40,000 to do .2 faster in the 1/4 mile, and then do every thing else worse? oh, and if you want to beat it in the 1/4, just buy a GT2, and kiss that saleen's ass good bye!

    also, when you talk about a super car, whats better to say "i have a ford." or "I have a Porsche."
     
  19. Just one more fool who fails to understand that there's a lot more to performance than acceleration time. As long as a car has decent acceleration, then superior handling, and the ability to hold higher speeds through turns will allow a car compete quite well with a faster but poorer handling.

    Steven Davis obviously doesn't have the first clue how to drive, lol he probably didn't even go above 4000rpm<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/tongue.gif"></A>. I could provide you with countless examples of how the NSX has time, and time again proven to perform better than its power would otherwise indicate.

    People buy Civics, Preludes, and Accords because they're great, reliable daily drivers, and offer kick in the pants performance in comparison to other cars in their class.

    Yes, the NSX has a high price tag, which is well worth it for the overall quality of the car you're getting. Which in a way is a good thing as it helps to prevent it from falling into the hands of people who can't even begin to understand it, such as rednecks like you and your mullet wearing friends.

    "SR is a V-8 Supercharged, no one can beat a V-8 supercharged car doing 4.0, and 1/4 miles in 11.8/124.0" Speaking of stupid comparisons, how about a Flat-6 twin turbocharged car doing 2.6, and 1/4 mile in 9.7/137.0? And that from a car designed more for a racetrack than straight line acceleration.....

    Ok, so you're bragging about a car that can be MODIFIED to be what you claim "...the Quickest Car in the world.." First of all, it actually isn't, and second of all, it's NOTHING in comparison to the MF1 that it is slightly faster than.

    Since you seem so obsessed with acceleration and topspeed, here's a list of cars that are faster than the Venom 800TT, most of which are, or were, production cars, the majority of which handle better:
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    2000 HKS Racing 180SX
    1978 Porsche 935 "Moby Dick"
    2001 Lingenfelter 427 Corvette TT
    1998 SVS Stryker Twin-Turbo Viper
    1999 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1

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    0-100km/h:
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    2000 HKS Racing 180SX
    1994 Ford SVT 10.0L Boss Mustang
    2001 Lingenfelter 427 Corvette TT
    1973 Porsche 917/30

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    1987 Oldsmobile Aerotech
    1988 Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette
    2003 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron
    1994 Dauer 962 Le Mans
    2001 Jun Akira Supra
    2001 Lotec Sirius
    1998 SVS Stryker Twin-Turbo Viper
    2001 Koenigsegg CC
    2001 Lingenfelter 427 Corvette TT
    2000 TVR Speed 12
    1973 Porsche 917/30
    1998 Ferrari F50 GT
    1995 Jimenez Novia Concept
    1995 Ford GT90 Concept
    1991 Koenig C62
    1991 Lotec C1000
    1995 Koenig Ferrari F50
    1997 McLaren F1
    1994 Dauer EB110 SS


    Pretty pathetic that even with that many mods in it, the Viper is still so "slow" eh?<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
  20. I hope you stay at the number of posts you have there because what you have just posted was nothing but pure bs

    Your comparing Civics, Accords and Preludes to Vipers and Vettes? Is something dramaticly wrong with you or is it just me?

    Why not compare your Viper and Vette to the Skyline N1 which has more power then the Vette and more torque then the Viper

    Or again get them smoked around the track by an NSX

    Dont even bring up the Viper Venom or any Viper Hennessey because their reliability is in the dumps
     
  21. I hate the fact that whenever imports are compared to american cars, there must always be mods involved (with the imports of course)... Well you go ahead and do that, put whatever you want into your civic/prelude/accord whatever, and sure it can beat a viper... but hey, if ur gonna do that why not dump the same amount of money into the Viper, then u got yourself a fair race.
     
  22. I assume that you mean the "shelby" cobras when you say good shelbys? Well guess what the Cobra was a AC ACE with a ford engine! So it isn't completely American!
     
  23. Turbomike is an idiot. There is nothing wrong with the Trans-Am. It's your overpriced underperforming mustang that is the problem.
     
  24. But hey, drop the NSX's highly tuned V6 under the hood of the Civic, add the drivetrain, and unleash the engines true potential, put the same amount of money into the Viper, and the Civic will still blow away your Viper, even though it's a "fair race".

    See, your meek argument has its flaws numbnuts.

    Try comparing class-level cars to class level cars, such as the Neon R/T or PT Cruiser to the Civic Type-R hmmmm.....now which is faster?.....STOCK
     
  25. Hmmm.....Try 4.7 for the NSX (4.4 for the Type-R), and 4.5 for the Saleen Mustang, and the NSX costs LESS, AND it's not even designed for straightline acceleration, (the NSX will do circles around the Saleen on a track), btw - the SVT Cobra only costs $35,000 and it's no less high performance than the Saleen Mustang.

    Steven Davis didn't know how to drive cars, other than to accelerate starting at 1,000 rpm and shift at 3,000 rpm (hardly the powerband of "his" NSX), just like he's driven his American cars all his life, anyway, some jackass Football player is hardly a reliable auto critic and being a "car enthusiast" you should damn well know that. Although given the ignorance of some of the more "senior" members on this site, I'm not surprised you don't know that.

    Quickest car in the world, my ass, it's just barely faster than actual PRODUCTION cars, but costs the same MODIFIED, and it's not nearly as good in any other area. BTW - the Viper was designed by Lamborghini for Dodge.

    Many manufacturers beat American cars in MANY areas. And the Viper Venom may be faster in acceleration, but not top speed, or overall performance.

    And the F1 makes the statement "I'm filthy rich and have great taste in the fastest cars available today", while the Viper Venom makes the statement "I'm a stingy rich asshole, who just goes for the least developed/fastest thing available"

    The F1 is, and will forever be SUPERIOR.
     

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