Re: What do you think of it?

Discussion in '1999 BMW LMR' started by kenmclaren, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. The BMW V12 LMRs, cannot run with the 2000 spec Audi R8s, they were lapped at least twice in most of the races in the ALMS season 2000. Watching it being pursued by the R8s, is almost nothing cause the Audis are very much faster on every single aspect. This is because of advancement in both technology and full factory support.

    At Mosport it came so close to victory over the Audi, losing by only 1 tenths of a second. The reason was that the Audi was running in rain tires when the race came dry at the final stages, and was not able to change it, in the scare of its teamate's pace and losing the race to second, on the other hand the BMW of Jorg Muller was substantially quicker on the final stages and has managed to catch up on the leading Audi of Rinaldo Capello. Capello was able to hang on when he blocked Muller on the last corner, while Muller tried to take the outside line for a short stretch, but still was unable to close the gap from 1st place.<!-- Signature -->
  2. This car is fantastic.

    The high pitch roar of the ingenious rotary engine of a Mazda thundering down the 3 mile Mulsanne straight, or a Ferrari V12 ripping through the "Carte S" chicane. These familiar Le Mans sights and sounds seem very similar but in reality belong to completely different worlds.

    The difference a decade makes in the realm of sportscar racing, or more specifically, Le Mans, is astounding. Who could have imagined back in 1990 that for the year 2000, the way to go technologically and aerodynamically was an open cockpit racer that could change its entire rear-end within a few minutes compared to the heavier closed cockpits of the Jaguar XJR-9 and the Sauber Mercedes C-11 that would take most of the night to repair a similar problem?

    So many events have occurred, people come and gone, and rules written and deleted that none could have written a better scenario for the ten years that have passed. Being a nine time veteran of Le Mans, and actually having lived there for three years, I have been able to witness the changes literally as they happened.

    The addition of two chicanes to the world's most famous straight line must be the most important occurrence in recent Le Mans history. Although many would argue that the chicanes (top of page) are a useless and even stupid idea, the fact is the potential speeds of the cars seen today are much faster and without the chicanes to slow these bullets down, there would be another flying Mercedes every lap. The clocked speed of the Toyota GT One in 1999 on the first section of the Mulsanne before the chicane was close to an incredible 223mph (360 kph)! If the chicanes were not there to slow them down, these cars wouldbe capable of speeds in excess of 400 kph at which point safety really becomes a concern. Although, the chicanes are good at slowing competitors down, their design could probably have been made as to better suit the characteristics of the land and the rich history of the circuit. Alas, the ACO was forced to spend millions of Francs on these chicanes and is not about to give up on them now.Another change in the physics of Le Mans came in 1991 when the old pitstands were demolished and new modern ones were built. Although the beautiful new stands quickly became popular with teams for its modern facilities and easy access via truck, the face of Le Mans changed forever.

    The old stands offered seats hanging off the roof of the hospitality suites in which a few lucky fans could look down on all the action in the pits below.This perk was lost in the construction of the modern stands(right).

    What are these fences doing, popping up in a new part of the track every year since 1996? It is evident that the ACO wants "Le Circuit de la Sarthe" to become a premier world racing venue. Unfortunately the only way to accomplish this is by adopting Formula 1 safety standards, which include mile-long gravel traps and fencing that is so thick, fans need x-ray vision to even see through . Automobile racing is inherently dangerous, everyone knows that, but there is no reason to strive to make it completely safe and therefore distract to the quality of the circuit and sport. With the recent Mercedes fiasco, fences have gone up in many new places in 2000 and new for next year is the shaving down of the Mulsanne "hump." What a shame.

    A source of major controversy in the early 90s was the separation between the ACO and the FIA. To make a long story short, the ACO and FIA had different ideas as to where the sport was headed and what rules to employ to ensure a smooth future (as well as financial difficulties). With this, the FIA pulled its backing of the 24 hours of Le Mans and removed the race from the FIA championship. What had once been a thriving Group C class swarmed with topnotch drivers and teams, actually ceased to exist in all practical terms and what was once the race to enter had become the rebel on the block. With no supporting championship winnings to entice teams and factories, the 24 Hours of Le Mans became a privateer haven. The actual ramifications of the split did not become evident until a few years later in 1994 and 1995 in which there was barely a single factory entry and some teams left much room for improvement. Le Mans actually lived off its name for two years (92, 93) when factories such as Peugeot and Toyota still attended with amazing professionalism. Since then, the emergence of new cars have paved the way to a more factory rich environment.

    A privately run McLaren GT made its debut in 1995 and won. This feat led to Porsche's involvement with the 911 GT1 and later, Toyota's baby, the GT-One. The GT class became the front running group and the showcase for many manufacturers. It seemed to be an aesthetic propaganda scheme rather than a valid advantage over open seaters. In the five or so years in which the GT class was at the forefront, GTs only won Le Mans twice. As in all sports including racing, results speak louder than media hype or the like. After Joest's wins in '96 and '97 handing over embarrassing defeats to the works Porsche GT1s, teams began to look at producing open seaters once more. In 1999, the year most experts claim to be the most exciting and manufacturer diverse, there was a visible split between whether open seaters or closed cockpits were the most efficient way to

    contest Le Mans. Mercedes (left) and Toyota showed up with their "bubble cars" and BMW turned out with an open cockpit racer. Audi on the other hand decided to build two of each type of car, just in case. In the end, using a slight variation of the V12 motor used in the McLaren in 1995, the BMW won on great fuel conomy and pure reliability. There have been hundreds of articles arguing in favor of one side or the other, whether open or closed cars offer the best chances of winning "the race." Noone really knows but it sure is great to have this controversy and mystery around such a deserving race and there was no better way to attract more teams.

    The people. There are many things to say about "the people" at Le Mans. In 1990 there were so many relaxed figures and teams and mechanics who really wanted to be there. In 2000, the atmosphere, albeit still as charming and "Le Mans-ish" as before, lacked the enthusiasm and love of before. This is mainly because Le Mans has become so commercial and so much is riding on it. There are car makers who build three cars just to race in Le Mans only. The sponsorship needed to field such teams is amazing. Le Mans has become nearly as expensive as Formula One. As a result there are many people at the race that have more important things on their minds than racing. There are businessmen and representatives that attend the race because their money is what is making the wheels on the racecar turn. There is nothing we can do about this. Imposing costs of shipment, products, drivers, everything, has led to the necessity of sponsors and company moguls.

    One thing that hasn't changed about Le Mans people is the actual fans that travel 800 miles to see the race. The British always come down in droves regardless if there is a strong British entry or not. They come for the love of racing and good times. Since 1996 (as far as I know) there has been a small group of British who form on the side of the road, whether it be on the track during Friday afternoon when there is no racing, or in the streets of Arnage, a suburb of Le Mans. After a few beers, this group practices stopping cars in the middle of the street, many times in both lanes of traffic, and counting down 3-2-1, making the stopped car burn out in acceleration. Although probably the dumbest and most dangerous practice known to man, there is a certain overall joy and love for one another and is fueled by the common enthusiasm for Le Mans. Even the police does nothing to stop the goings on. That is because the cops themselves have the same

    burning appreciation for Le Mans as the leader of the group waiving down the passing cars (with a makeshift flag, many times a piece of foam or rubber)! Its like a Ferrari; no man in his right mind would kick or dent or do harm to a Ferrari because he knows what a beautiful piece of work it is and how important it is to the world. I actually feel safer attending the Le Mans 24Hours than doing many other things. There is a sense of comradeship in the crowd of people that is indescribable. So many things have changed about Le Mans but at least the roots have stayed intact, for now.
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  4. The reason that Panoz won was pure luck, ohh no wait Panoz rules. God i wish i could of been in the Audi pits when the old dinosaur Panoz car beat the "un-beatable" audis. And then be at the next race where Panoz won again!.
  5. The BMW V12 LMR lacks pace in 2000.

    The 2000 spec Panoz lacks pace from the 2000 spec Audis.

    In 2001 Panoz LMP1-R got a big improvement on its handling, and was able to put its power down very well.

    While the 2001 spec Audi R8s, has had major handling deficiencies, and sometimes bad luck. <!-- Signature -->
  6. What do you think of it?

    This is the winner of the 1999 running of the 24 Hours of LeMans, the 12 hours of Sebring, at Sears Point Raceway and in the Monterey Sports Car Championship at the Mazda Raceway, Laguna Seca. The car also won in 2000, at Charlotte, North Carolina, and Silverstone, England. Its last run was for a magazine shootout for Automobile. Its top drivers were JJ Lehto, winner of LeMans in 1995 in a Mclaren F1 GTR, Jorg Muller of Germany.
  7. It really is a phenominal know why though? Because it uses the same V12 as a certain Mclaren F1.
  8. And it's built by Williams, the same Williams that builds F-1 cars....<!-- Signature -->
  9. It's Loooow!<!-- Signature -->
  10. "What do you think of it?"

    It's the Best damn racecar!
    With a few major mods, and maybe a restrictor break, I think the car can run with last years Audi R8's
  11. BMW put that grill on every single car eben this one.<!-- Signature -->
  12. the BMW twin kidney grill i a tradition. It will never change.
  13. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from McLaren_Man</i>
    <b>BMW put that grill on every single car eben this one.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    The grill helps to cool the breaks.
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  14. #14 dcd, Aug 9, 2002
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  15. It's a great disappointment that Porsche, Mercedes and Toyota don't race in the Leman anymore. The GT1 1998, CLK GTR LM and the GT1 are 3 great cars that I love the most.<!-- Signature -->
  16. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from kenmclaren</i>
    <b>The BMW V12 LMR lacks pace in 2000.

    The 2000 spec Panoz lacks pace from the 2000 spec Audis.

    In 2001 Panoz LMP1-R got a big improvement on its handling, and was able to put its power down very well.

    While the 2001 spec Audi R8s, has had major handling deficiencies, and sometimes bad luck. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> I read on some board(ALMS I belive) that the BMW had to have a another under tray from what it had in 1999. So this put developement back to the begining and the car was slower Im guessing. Tobad BMW can put a top on the LMR and race it in GT, since porsche dosent want the M3-GTR in GT <IMG SRC=""><!-- Signature -->
  17. This is definitely amazing!!! It has the quality construction of a BMW engine and that's the main reason for it's triumph. BMW ROCKS!!!<!-- Signature -->
  18. Nice car!!! It's also from BMW... I would say.. one of da greatest sports cars out there... peace ya'll
  19. IS ANYBODY NOTICIING THE WEIGHT!!! 900KG!!!!!!!!!! now that's light!

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  20. I love this car , but I prefer from far the Peugeot 905.
  21. Only the best LeMans car.<!-- Signature -->
  22. BMW M, I have a Jet Black E46 M3 and I was wondering how I join the M club, where do I go?<!-- Signature -->
  23. powerful and gr8.
    but why do i feel like looking at a rabbit?
  24. I don't think it can pose any threat to the Audis now. They are just too fast for the older LMR to compete with!
  25. Bah, audi just copied the LMR and made it faster and better, in 99 the R8 was very slow and it looked like shit.

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