2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

Discussion in '2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S' started by love of cars, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    Oh. . . well, I don't care.
    Because If you don't answer my question, you will prove yourself how much bullshit do you have inside your head.

    Answer!!! Come on, I wanna know what you have got, Mr. "Professional Designer"!!!!!!

    Oh, I've just remembered that all you said Is FALSE!!!
     
  2. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    R34 ever, have u spoken 2 the guy who drove the McLaren F1? did he tell u that it was unstable?...no

    ive got a video from inside the McLaren being tested on the day it set the new world record for top speed, it has commentary by the driver and he says...

    "390....391, it wont do anymore than 391, but 391 is quite fast isnt it? and i still say that this is the best car ever built, ever!"

    those were his exact words as he flew past the mile marker at an average 386.7km/h (240.28mph)

    the car looked perfectly stable from inside the cockpit as the driver calmly read the electronic speed readout...hardly the sort of thing u would do if u were hanging on for dear life is it?
     
  3. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    I must agree with the McLaren F1 has low downforce crowd. Like in Formula 1, downforce is a way of getting high speeds around corners. The McLaren was made to break the world production car speed record. (The specially designed "downforce" le mans versions is a different story) And it really was and still is a brilliant design, Murrays masterpiece! But as a track car i know the enzo would beat it. As for the koenigsegg, you can see at the topspeeds, that it follows the same philosopy as the mclaren f1 did. And they could have a tantalizing fight for the topspeed crown...
     
  4. Re: My ass looks better than this car

    Common sense: most people would get better performance out of the Koenigsegg than the McLaren if given the oppurtunity to drive both.

    1. The McLaren F1 is stick with a clutch, to get best launch it would take each individual person a while to get used to it, whereas the Koenigsegg CC8S is clutchless more of a stomp and go. Also meaning the perfromance stats in the CC8S would be more consistent than the F1's.(ex. Most owners of a Viper run mid 13's at a dragstip because they don't know how to drive their car, professionals start the Viper in second gear for best accelaration in the quarter mile and in 1st for 0 - 60.)

    2. Knowledge - Have you ever sat in the Drivers seat of a McLaren. They are not comfortable and you feel rather cramped, not to mention the parts of the interior that get hot from the poorly designed firewall. Christian von Koenigsegg is rather big person and designed the CC8S to fit someone his size (hence more comfort). Although comfort wasn't the issue with the F1, most people feel like trying to drive faster when it feels bigger than when the feel cramped( Crown Victoria vs. Geo Metro).

    3. The Fast McLaren the Road car had handling worse than an Acura Integra (F1 .86g vs. Integra GS-R .92g). The CC8S pulls a 1.15g on the skidpad. There is no competition there in handling.

    I'm not dissing the McLaren F1 road car or comparing it to a Geo Metro. I'm not even disagreeing with you on the fact that other people on this site don't obtain enough knowledge to make valid decisions. What I'm saying is your no different by just knowing what is on paper as opposed to driving habits.

    Lastly only one McLaren made 240 mph in one run. Every other time it maxed out at 231. This is also why if you go back to the magazines back in '97 you will see the top speed as 231 not 240. Most people thought it was just a mistake , but there has only been one 240mph run. The wear and tear on the gearbox and clucth allow for consistent top speed runs of 231, though. That means if you got in a McLaren F1 road car the chances are any car that hit above 233mph would beat you in a top speed race consistently. The reason the McLaren is slower in the 1/4 mile than the Koenisegg is gearing. In the F1 road car is that 1st gear tops out at 90mph, second at 120mph, and then you enter into third gear.
     
  5. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    i hardly think you're in the position to call any part of the McLaren 'poorly designed'

    R&Ts McLaren was specially modified for the american market and does not represent the true product, Autocar is the only magazine in the world to test a REAL F1

    the McLaren actually hit 243mph on its record run, but it averaged 'only' 240mph for the flying mile

    it would hit 240 every single time if u went to that same track, all other tracks arent suitable for 240mph runs on road tyres, its not the cars fault. VWs test track has a SIX mile straight
     
  6. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    The F1 was not designed to be the fastest production car ever. It was meant to be the greatest drivers car ever. The original F1 concept had a planned 470hp. Then as XJ220 and other supercars came out Mclaren decided to push the power to 550 and this was the goal they set for BMW. But BMW came back with a engine that was slightly heavier than demanded by Gordon Murray, but it produced 620+hp, so he decided to accept that. The reason for the low downforce is because it is a pure road car and downforce is not real good for a pure road car.
     
  7. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    The best car is the one who has best handling(big downforce),biggest speed,best acceleration,etc.So downforce is very important.
     
  8. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    I must say...you do make an accurately correct quote. I rate the MAC for my opinion usually. When it comes to facts, figures, and stats of comparing it to other supercars, I give my props to the facts. In this case, I agree with you on this, but when someone says that you have to look at what the "best" is, there hasnt been a rated "best" yet. We can only presently look at what is better than certain cars. Possibly, considering overall spec ratio, the CC8S possibly is a better performance car than the Mac. When you put it up to the MAC LM, you're looking at a whole new story. The thing is, we're looking at the roadcars here. People could easily post about maybe, say, the LM or a GTR version of the MAC. They dont say it and so others argue,.. that's b/c they never mentioned before which MAC they were comparing. When people post in forums, they need to tell which version of the MAC they're talking about, otherwise, usually arguments are started. Anyways...I agree that the CC8S could be a good challenge for the MAC. We'll just have to get some more info about more road and track tests of the CC8S, and topics will become more interesting.
     
  9. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    My word, the best car ever.
     
  10. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    Which supercars have you designed? I'd like to see some proof rather than just take your word for it.

    I know creative types have a tendency to let their anger out when they a put into a corner and having their dogmas threatened by outsiders. But so has kids - which one is you?

    As for your theory that down force is bad for the regular driver, I'm not following you. To me handling is more important than top speed, especially when you are driving on normal roads where you have the risk of hitting oncoming traffic. On a track like Le Mans, sliding into a sand bank isn’t that dangerous, whereas losing your grip at 250 km/h and hitting a tree or an oncoming car hurts – a lot!

     
  11. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    I see what you're saying. I understand your opinion about prefering handling, that's what it's all about. Everything here is based on what people prefer out of cars(except dissing them). I mainly look at the specs for all-around performance for handling and speed, short and tops.
     
  12. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    911 GT3 R
     
  13. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    That's so hard... I'd say I like th Koenigsegg CC 8S. I mean hell, look at my name!
     
  14. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    Yes I can see <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A> You like my black CC 8S <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  15. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    I like it...I think it brings out the great corners of the car and its design! Very awsome I think...now that I've seen it in black, I personally think it looks best in black, but that's just me.
     
  16. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    amen. best quote i've seen yet in this forum. most people think they made it to be the fastest, but it really was made to be and is the greatest driver's car ever. just about every car magazine that tests one is stunned by its abilities and ease of use.
     
  17. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    I would say that Koenigsegg would win but it would be a VERY close race
     
  18. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    You desgn supercars huh?
    What "supercars" did you design are any listed on this page??

     
  19. Re: My ass looks better than this car

    Well, first of all, you said that the McLaren is 1st place here because it's just the facts that you go by. That is a pretty stupid thing to say considering that you didn't state any of those facts that say that the McLaren would beat this. The real facts are that the stats measure up to be that these two cars are about equal. So why don't you consider the REAL facts before you open the hole in your face. Second of all, you really need to chill out on people. It's people like you that make this site a big battle field. Some members of this site just want to have a discussion on cars and then you come in here and start calling people dumbasses for having a different opinion than you. That sounds like something a 10 year old would do; which means that you probably don't design cars because you are still finishing elementary school. But anyway... In my opinion the Koenigsegg would win.
     
  20. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    Well, actually, no they're not...
    I have designs for Ferrari, one I call the 700M, and a couple others...I have even designed a car for McLaren

    I'll have to scan them as soon as I can and show you guys what they look like.~
     
  21. Re: My ass looks better than this car

    Yea, whatever...

    9-year old...I am a forum fighter...yes I admit, I can get ticked off about some things...but I wont let you judge how hot my head gets on this side of the computer screne. I dont get that mad, I just say things that I really shouldnt, but, my being a spectator, I'm a defendent and I may say things at times like you say I do.

    And by the way.......at least the hole in my face doesnt have a dick stuck in it 24/7. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>~~
     
  22. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    it's obvious that TVGT is a lying newbie because he wouldn't be acting stupid and childish if he was a real car designer...hmm Maybe he does design supercars with his Play-Doh.

    n e ways, seeing that the Koenigsegg has more torque and power, it should and does have better acceleration. I remember a 680hp MacF1 (LM engine) getting 2.9 and 10.2 as a quarter mile (no lie). I'm a personal fan of the MacLaren, but i find the design of the Koenigsegg compact and cool.
     
  23. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1 vs 2000 TVR Cerbera Speed 12

    I Think This Be A Hella Of A Race The TVR Hits 240Hp O-6O In 3.5 Sec.

    I Still Ask My Self WHy Isnt This Car In The Top Speed Record post
     
  24. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1 vs 2000 TVR Cerbera Speed 12

    I Think This Be A Hella Of A Race The TVR Hits 240Hp O-6O In 3.5 Sec.

    I Still Ask My Self WHy Isnt This Car In The Top Speed Record post
     
  25. Re: 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S vs 1997 McLaren F1

    The truth is, the TVR Cerbera Speed 12 is and will be for quite sometime the great unknown psychotic road car. It's a device that was a compromise from the original TVR Speed 12 project basically being blackballed by the Lemans/GT Rulemakers.

    Against the Koenigsegg and Mac in races with a PROFESSIONAL driver (From what I can gather from 3 opinions on the Speed 12, it's undrivable by the average person), the Speed 12 would just romp away in speed tests. Simply too much torque, too much downforce, lighter. It's a purpose built plaything for adrenaline rushes, nothing more. It's NOT really a road car, that fact in some places in the world it can wear a license plate is a bit of an illusion.

    Back to CC8S V F1(Euro Roadcar Spec), The Koenigsegg would likely be a marginally faster car for trackdays with it's optional spoiler on for a bit of extra grip on sweepers, and gain stability from it's MASSIVE track. (It's nearly 2 metres wide for crying out loud, assuming the dimension stats listed here are right.) They're both very much aimed at the same design philosophy. But the segg might also draw advances from being able to benchmark itself against the competition during the design phases, improvements in CADCAM and software FEA on the chassis, a million other small points here and there would likely make the Koenigsegg an equal for less price.

    I really would like to see two taken for lap times by the same driver. The problem for us stems from knowing the F1 was damn brilliant, and not knowing long term how the segg will fare.


    But I have to admit, the Segg is by far one of the sexiest supercars I have EVER seen, let alone recent history. Chunky but svelte somehow. Still not Cerbera GORGEOUS but getting there. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     

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