430 Scud vs. Ducati Desmo RR

Discussion in 'European Cars' started by jnestory, Nov 11, 2009.

  1. #1 jnestory, Nov 11, 2009
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  2. Not surprising. properly piloted, modern bikes are more than a match for fast cars around a track.
     
  3. Bikes are at a huge disadvantage in cornering and braking as compared to cars, but they make up for some of this in straight line speed. This is really quite an unfair comparison because the Desmosedicci uses Moto GP parts, which is the motorcycle equivalent of Formula One.

    On a track with lots of straights, a top level bike can sometimes beat a great road car. However, no bike can compare to an F1 car or even an FIA GT1 car.

    In the video below, we see a Toyota TF106 setting a new lap record of 1:06.309 at Laguna Seca, as compared to the Moto GP lap record of 1:23.158 by Honda's Dani Pedrosa on the same track.

    Laguna seca is a very tight track. On a longer, faster track, such as Silverstone, Spa, or Monza, the F1 car's advantage would be even more extreme.
     
  4. #4 20000 RPM, Nov 11, 2009
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    Bikes are at a huge disadvantage in cornering and braking as compared to cars, but they make up for some of this in straight line speed. This is really quite an unfair comparison because the Desmosedicci uses Moto GP parts, which is the motorcycle equivalent of Formula One.

    On a track with lots of straights, a top level bike can sometimes beat a great road car. However, no bike can compare to an F1 car or even an FIA GT1 car.

    In the video below, we see a Toyota TF106 setting a new lap record of 1:06.309 at Laguna Seca, as compared to the Moto GP lap record of 1:23.158 by Honda's Dani Pedrosa on the same track.

    Laguna seca is a very tight track. On a longer, faster track, such as Silverstone, Spa, or Monza, the F1 car's advantage would be even more extreme.

     
  5. I think it's a rather fair comparison because a Scuderia laps Fiorano faster than an Enzo, one of the highest performing cars of our generation. Also one thing that racing cars have that motorcycles cannot duplicate is downforce. With wings and underbodies, cars have a huge advantage that motorcycles cannot overcome even with slicks.

    By comparing a roadcar with the fastest motorcycle available is a fair comparison, if not the Scuderia, pick a faster road car, there are plenty race-cars-for-the-street available. Let the games begin
     
  6. I don't think the Desmo could hang with the fastest road cars available (Radical SR8, Caparo T1, Ultima GTR 720, etc.).

    And just because the scud is faster than the Enzo doesn't mean it's a fair comparison. If the bike gets to use the ultimate in technology (Moto GP), then the car should as well.

    A fair comparison would be a standard literbike (Yamaha R1 et. al.) against the Scud.

    A WSBK machine like the Ducati 1098R should be compared to something like an ALMS LMP-1 prototype.
     
  7. #7 ali84, Nov 11, 2009
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    Except F1 cars barely relate to anything even remotely road legal. Only think they have common with roadcars is having 4 tires.

    Plus the fact that while even an f430 will remain a dream for most car owners, a superbike that performs close to its racing counterparts is almost cheap to purchase.

    Not to mention bikes are infinitely more fun than any road car will ever be. Speaking from experience there.
     
  8. On the very top level. The cars are faster. Just like they are much more expensive and ultimately not nearly as much fun.
     
  9. The owner of the car drove the Scuderia? LOL.

    Notice the Ducati is missing headlights, blinkers, plate, and is on slicks (with tire warmers).
     
  10. And he was driving that thing slow as hell.

    Not saying that it would beat the Duc but at least put a good driver in there and no cameraman on the passenger seat
     
  11. My thoughts exactly.
     
  12. this
     
  13. didnt top gear or sumtin do a similar test..with a plain jane porsche 911 vs a litre bike? with the car winning
     
  14. Yes. 911 C4S too! Fifth gear did several of these. Sometimes the bike won, sometimes the car won. It depends on the car, the bike, and the track.

    But I don't see how anyone can argue that bikes are faster around a track than cars IN GENERAL.
     
  15. #15 MarthaStewart, Nov 11, 2009
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  16. worst test ever. not only is bike vs. car a complete waste of time, but the 430 driver seemed like an idiot during the short amount of corners they showed... which is where it should gain speed.

    price and necessity are what determine a bike vs. car. once they have been matched can they be fully compared. this is useless
     
  17. Isn't this a race bake vs. a street car? That is never fair....IMO it is really interesting to copare banas with phone bills....
     
  18. Looks like they forgot to tell the Scuderia driver he was actually racing the bike. He looks like he's just cruising around at nowhere near the car's limits. He also took an extremely wide line through the one turn I saw him take so far.

    Also, calling the Desmosedici RR one of the best road bikes you can buy is like calling the Caparo T1, Gumpert Apollo or Radical SR8 one of the best road cars you can buy. It's not an affordable bike, and it's a full on race replica and one of the least practical bikes you can buy for anything but track days. The Scuderia is a more track focused version of Ferrari's "entry level" model, it's an awesome car, but it's definitely not the car world equivalent of what the RR is to the bike world.
     
  19. Horrible test.
     
  20. #20 HeyHuub, Nov 12, 2009
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    That is! a roadbike btw, for all the unknowing people.

    Fifth Gear also did multiple where both times the Duc wins.

    Gallardo vs 999


    Superleggera vs 1098


    In terms of racingcars vs bikes, Motogp bikes are about as fast around a track as Fia GT1 cars. And seeing as a Motogp bike has allot more incomon with a road bike compared to an F1 car and a roadcar i'd say that would be fairly fair comparison.
     

  21. In most cases:

    Road bike > road car

    Race car (descent) > race bike

    Also, nice way to destroy the looks of the RR with that "made in Italy" crap on the fairing.

     
  22. Truth. Putting all this bench racing with F1 cars and motogp bikes aside, in the real world where money is a real issue, Nothing can match bikes for performance and the sheer amount of race derived technology available.
     
  23. Again with the retarded costs crap. Who the feck is arguing about the bang/buck ratio of a bike? If you can't afford a Scuderia, this is a non-issue. Take a look at that Laguna Seca 1:23 lap time for the MotoGP bike driven by a world-class pro rider and ask yourself if that's better "value" than a superkart that can lap in a similar time. What's a factory MotoGP bike cost nowadays, assuming you can even buy one outright??

    Even the forum members of motorcyclenews.com, which conducted this test, are calling BS on its worth. What next, a 1098S owner vs a pro driver in an F430 GT with pure racing slicks?
     
  24. lol at calling it a race. more like a sunday drive
     
  25. They were racing?

    Also he makes it sound like "better brakes" = faster car... I mean, ok we can argue you step on the brakes later, more durability w/ heat etc, but still.
     

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