5th Gear MP4 vs 458

Discussion in 'Videos and Sounds' started by Sportscars have Italian names pronto, Jun 27, 2011.

  1. #1 Sportscars have Italian names pronto, Jun 27, 2011
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  2. Congratulations on Raging Bull status.
     
  3. So now it's wrong to post videos in the Videos & Sounds section?
    A certain and very unlogical set of rules apply to the use of this forum ... After many years I have learned some of the basics, here is the top-5:

    You are not allowed to like the biggest names in the business

    If you have actually driven any given car you have less right to have an opinion on it

    Modern technology is gay

    Facts are not welcome on SC.net

    Statements from the biggest media like Top Gear, Fith Gear, CAR mag, EVO mag etc. represents lies - always.

     
  4. Is that the shampoo business or the bikini business?
     
  5. Yeah, we all know how big a fan of EVO you are.
     
  6. ive driven ________ thus i can attest to its ring times
     
  7. No I'm not but they know a thing about lap timing and they do get to drive a lot of cars.
    PS. the problem wasn't EVO as much as it was C Harris
     
  8. I'd rather have the McLaren just cause of the fact that Ferrari is so shady as a manufacturer and there F1 team is even worse
     
  9. shady?? In what way?
     
  10. Well the fact that they'll do something like send two 458s to a comparison test that are both 'optimized' for either straight line or handling tests.

    They whore out the Ferrari badge on everything they can get ahold of.

    Team orders in Formula 1

    Their attitude towards new teams in F1 (Ex: Monaco 2010 when Alonso started from the back end is an example, even though they are fighting for position they just expected the new teams to just get out of the way for them.)

    If they are constantly being beat by rival teams, they push to have regulations changed so they can try and benefit from it.

    Montezemolo is constantly making headlines with his whining about F1.

    Threatening to ruin Formula 1 one with a stupid breakaway series.

    all i can bother thinking of rihgt now, I used to think Renault was the most shady team in F1 but I was wrong obv.





     
  11. Hey man who's dick are you sucking to be able to drive those cars
     
  12. The problem (for you) is that much of what C Harris said has been corroborated by EVO, Autocar, Car Magazine, C&D, etc.

    The simple fact is, you were trying to make it out like Harris was doing this to throw dirt on Ferrari and make the McLaren look good and boost its image at release. You were wrong.
     
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  14. g: Well the fact that they'll do something like send two 458s to a comparison test that are both 'optimized' for either straight line or handling tests. - How is this a "fact"?? It's BS. Prove it.
    Notice that most of the tests with the 458 is the very same car (license plate FNE something)EVO, CAR and 5th gear has tested the 458 where it kicked the McLarens ass severely. Not support crew, ONE car. (PS. the McL won the straight line dragrace over the 458 - same car FNE license plate)

    They whore out the Ferrari badge on everything they can get ahold of. The need to make money to develop cutting edge technology. ALL other similar manufactures try to do the same. They are just not as good at it.

    Team orders in Formula 1- are used by most temas it just can be done in more or less obviuos ways. Team orders were not forbidden when used

    Their attitude towards new teams in F1 (Ex: Monaco 2010 when Alonso started from the back end is an example, even though they are fighting for position they just expected the new teams to just get out of the way for them.) - That's why the blue flag is used all the time. There is also a reason for the 107 % rule. Please learn the basic rules of F1 and THEN post

    If they are constantly being beat by rival teams, they push to have regulations changed so they can try and benefit from it. - Actually they are threatning to leave F1 because of too MANY regulations and limitations

    Montezemolo is constantly making headlines with his whining about F1.

    Threatening to ruin Formula 1 one with a stupid breakaway series.- See above. Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes, Renault are bigger than F1, and nobody wants to see the "king class" of motorsports to run 1600 CC engines etc.

    all i can bother thinking of rihgt now, I used to think Renault was the most shady team in F1 but I was wrong obv
     
  15. Let me tell you a few facts:

    Cris Harris races Porsches with factory/importer support

    Cris Harris runs a company where he trades Porsches

    Cris Harris took a 911 to 360 M launch and crashed it into a 360 - maybe that is where Ferrari started having issues with Mr Harris

    Cris Harris asked Ferrari Financial Service for finances supporting his 911 RSR. Ferrari F S refused to pay for his Porsche. Later Mr Harris made a (pointles) comparison test with the 458 and the GT3 RS and the 458 was absolute superior in every aspect yet Mr Harris concluded that the 911 was the better car....just because ...h ethought so.

    Who said shady?
     
  16. Who is Cris Harris? I think you've got the wrong guy here.
     
  17. I thought we had already determined Ferrery to be the shady ones, amirite?
     
  18. Ferrari is shady.
     
  19. And you have proof for all of this? And you have proof that all the others (Evo, Autocar, Car, C&D, etc) are the same?
     
  20. I'll take the McLaren.
     
  21. It is the right choice.

    If you want the car that is slower, looks like a Kia, sounds like a Hoover and worst of all is less invovling to drive.

    They had all the right ingredients but the dish came out bland... a shame
     
  22. Uh the MP4-12C doesn't look a Kia.
     
  23. Ok it doesn't but it's a bland 2002 design that doesn't live up to its superb tech.
     
  24. Ever since Enzo had the final race of the 1964 World GT Championship (which happened to be in Italy) canceled using his political connections because he knew Shelby was going to come in and beat him.

    They they did come kick his ass the next year in 1965.
     
  25. there is nothing worng with design of the current Kia cars, in matter of fact, they are doing better job in design than what ferrari is doing.
     

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