7-speed ? How ?

Discussion in '2002 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron Preproduction' started by Black Devil, Oct 21, 2002.

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    the car in my avatar is the unimaginably fast "Audi 002 Quattro"

    it was a prototype built in 1987 to compete in Group S rallying (the 1 that was going to replace Group B). Its mid-engined, rather than front-engined like normal quattros, it uses the Pikes Peak hillclimb engine producing 650-700hp, it weighs 960kg, it has a Le Mans-style aerodynamic body with a ground effect undersurface.

    It was never raced, and the only 1 ever made lives in the Audi museum in germany - it took me several years to find ANY info or pics of this almost secret car
     
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    It really deserves to be in your avatar <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    My dear Can-Am freak,
    you said that a can-am car could beat an f1 car on a straight line. Well, that's a pretty stupid point you're making since NEITHER F1 NOR CAN-AM RACE IN STRAIGHT LINES!
    Further more, I seemed to have picked up a note of criticism rtegarding the technology of formula 1. Need I explain once more that Formula 1 is the utmost best in technology, especcially in the aerodynamics department?? The reason why Formula 1 cars don't have adjustable wings is because THE FIA REGULATIONS PROHIBIT THAT. Unlike your rugged and primitive Can-am racing, F1 has many rules, restrictions and regulations. FACE IT: CAN-AM IS DEAD!!!! Formula 1 is the ultimate type of racing today, since NO CARS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BEAT THEIR LAP TIMES FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS!!!!

    Formula 1 is here to stay.
     
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    Gallucci, what do u call the bit of track between the last corner and the first corner?...is it something like the start/finish STRAIGHT?

    a 30yr old Can-am out-accelerates an F1, is that irrelevant?...i think not

    F1 is the best in aerodynamics my ass - Group C sportscars had MORE downforce AND less drag than any F1 car ever has, put that in your pipe and smoke it

    Le Mans prototypes can pull over 3gs in cornering, same as an F1 car - how could the F1 possibly beat it in lateral g?...what does it have that a prototype doesnt?...thats right, NOTHING

    dont get me wrong an F1 car is an impressive piece of engineering, i even hope one day to be designing them, ive watched every single race since 1994, i AM a fan - but i dont like it when people blindly believe that they are something that theyre not....the best thing ever

    F1 is a pile of shit compared to what it was 15 years ago, both in terms of technology and entertainment. How can F1 cars be so advanced when there are so many things that have been banned over the years? The fact that Can-Am had no rules is a good thing - it lead to the purest racecars ever made, no compromise, speed before anything else. Screw safety, if u dont wanna race, dont race - schumacher is a pussy, he didnt wanna drive a rally car coz he thinks its too dangerous, he doesnt wanna drive at le mans coz he thinks its too dangerous. It is an insult comparing him to Senna, or someone half as talented as the great man.
     
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    In its day, Can-Am was on top of the heap in power and technology. Now, I'd be willing to bet, if someone (or some organization) created a modern Can-Am series, the modern Can-Am cars would be quicker and maybe corner and brake as well as a modern F1 car. The Can-Am series was an exercise in unlimited racing that I don't think we'll ever see again, unfortunately. I doubt anyone could afford the insurance.
     
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    In terms of skill, Senna beats Shumacher.
    In terms of success, Schumi obviously wins.
    And since in the end what counts is success, Schumi beats Senna by a mile.
    I don't know what this has to do with the Bugatti Veyron. Let's just stop arguing, since I can't convince you and you could NEVER convince me. Back to the Bugatti.
     
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    yeah, we both love the Veyron, lets leave it at that
     
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    Why not 50000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 apeed?
     
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    Actually, the number of gears is inconsequential. The closeness in the ratios is what matters. Having more gears allows the engine to experience less drop in rpm when the transmission shifts.
     
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    count downs right the more gears there are the trouble the engine will have when the car revs up. the car is so fast that it has to have some thing to help its engine.
     
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    Where did you lose your brainy? Your insanity is now getting preocupating.
     
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    The reason it is possible is because of displacement. F1s run 3L. Can-Ams didn't. LArger displacement usually meant longer stroke which is more torque. Sometimes there is no replacement for displacement.
     
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    What is apeed?
     
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    Supraman - he meant speed (though what he said still doesn't make any sense <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>)

    Can-Ams couldn't compare, F1 is a perfect example of why torque isn't the only way to get fast acceleration, thus disposing of the idea that "there is no replacement for displacement" with the right design displacement just can't match the replacement. Can-Ams couldn't possibly compare to F1 cars no matter what you do to them, end of story.
     
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    If as much money and development went into V8s as F1 the V8 would produce more power and torque. Look at NASCAR. They run small block V8s N/A with carbs. They can run over 200 miles an hour for hours on end. They also put out over 700 horsepower with lots of torque. Displacement also provides reliabilty. Because they only rev up to between 8000 and 9000 RPM (Good for a V8) they can run alot longer. An F1 wouldn't be able to last 500 miles.
    While Can-Am running larger engines probably put out enough to torque to their huge rear wheels to match an F1 in acceleration. Obviously F1 cars are newer and more advanced. There is no way a Can-Am could run beside an F1 Ferrari on the track, I was just stating how it could possibly accelerate just as well.
     
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    F1's ARE V8's, very very small V8's and they could definitely last 500 miles.

    btw, well designed high revving engines often outlast low revving V8 engines, it's how well the engine is designed to prevent friction (which is what causes engine wear) that really matters. Oh and there are a lot of V8's that rev high, just not many V8's that are American.
     
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    He ment speed!!!
     
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    Actually, Formula 1 engines are V-10's.
     
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    some in the past have been V8's, not sure whether the majority are V10's or V12's.
     
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    F1 cars are running on the ragged edge of their capabilities. It is a lot of strees on the engines and it is a major trade off. Power vs. reliability. An F1 car could run 500 miles but not the same way they race now.
     

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