Re: 800 tt vs. Speed 12 Maybe I am mistaken. I have seen the purple one, with the new front end, the older show car, and another purple one with the older front end. The purple one with the older front end maybe a fake though, my brother is a graphic artist and he can do some crazy stuff. You ever wonder what a McLaren F1 looks like jacked up? As for the press release, I believe Peter Wheeler said he drove the Speed 12 home and then knew, maybe after the press release. A friend is borrowing my issue of Evo with the article in it, but it seems you have the issue, so could you maybe check to see if he says when he drove it? It is the Power issue I believe #052 that has it in it. I think page 106 I think. Anyways, doesn't he say that it was then when he finally drove it home that it was too insane? So it wasn't until he drove it that the project was scraped, and that likely was very early on it seems. That would explain why there wern't that many cars made, maybe two at most. Isn't that is the issue with the F1 cars from the 80's in it. I have some killer information on the BMW engine. In the series that ran on Speedvision called M POWER, they had an interview of one of the engineers that designed BMW's F1 engine. In that interview he said that the engine hit the hp limit of their dyno with something like 1000 rpm I believe he said left to go. Many F1 engineers have said that with those engines a 100-200 rpm increases was on average 100-200 bhp more. With 1000 rpm left on the tack that is at least 500 bhp. BMW's dyno was rated to 1400 bhp, so you add on 500 bhp, and you get 1900 bhp. I believe the Renault engine hit the hp limit on their dyno also. Renaults dyno was rated to 1500 bhp.