Re: American Car Fans- READ But who really needs a stock family wagon that goes the quarter mile in 13 seconds? It just isnt practical.
Re: American Car Fans- READ A stock family wagon that handles phenomenally better than the Pony cars it will beat at the strip, will make a superior race car, looks better, has the storage ability that the pony cars lack, and is cheaper? who would buy a POS Camaro SS over a WRX sport wagon? It's incredibly practical, think about it, you could fit all your camping gear in it, your bikes, snowboard gear, etc. head out for a weekend trip, blow away that zitty punk who revs his 5.0 at you on your way out of town, drive at adrenaline pumping speeds on the highway, drive all out rally-style on the logging roads, drive up to the nearest glacier, hike to the top, go for a few snowboard runs, hop back in your wagon, drive down to a campground, go mountain biking the next day, then drive in the same manner on the way back home, all with the comfort of knowing that if that punk blows a red light and runs head on into you, you'll likely come out unscathed. Altogether more versatility, performance, reliability, and crash safety (in one package), than any North American car, I'd say that's very practical.
Re: American Car Fans- READ Bullshit. Please tell us what year this "amazing" car is. It might go that fast, but it's not stock, not by a long shot.
Re: American Car Fans- READ http://racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=224 well, it was in the stock class, and that WRX had 227 hp which is the stock hp for a WRX. And what year do you think? 2002 is the first year the WRX has ever been available here.
Re: American Car Fans- READ Wow, a modded car running high 12's. Their are modded mustangs running high 7's, but I don't go around saying all mustangs do that. It's not a stock wrx, stock they run low 14's. Please at least have a clue as to what the hell you are talking about next time.
Re: American Car Fans- READ Y don't you, look up any real specs on the WRX and those specs will show you high 12's. It's what a well designed turbo, AWD, and excellent power delivery will do for you. I'm getting very sick of your BS.
Re: American Car Fans- READ Ok jackass for the last time that is way off, holy shit you think a 227hp car will hang with the bad boys with400hp+, are you retarded? Here's a link so you can read it yourself (which I'm not really sure you can do, read that is) and the actual info that's posted on that page. http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/features/2002/october/200210_longterm_wrx.xml?&Manufacturer=Subaru&Name=Impreza%20Sedan&class=42&page=3 Vehicle type: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan Price as tested: $24,520 (base price: $24,520) Engine type: turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve flat-4, aluminum block and heads, Subaru engine-control system with port fuel injection Displacement 122 cu in, 1994cc Power (SAE net) 227 bhp @ 6000 rpm Torque (SAE net) 217 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm Transmission 5-speed manual Wheelbase 99.4 in Length 173.4 in Curb weight 3150 lb Performance: new 40,000 Zero to 60 mph 5.9 sec 5.9 sec Zero to 100 mph 17.5 sec 17.3 sec Street start, 5-60 mph 7.4 sec 7.5 sec Standing 1/4-mile 14.6 sec @ 93 mph 14.5 sec @ 93 mph Braking, 70-0 mph 188 ft 194 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad 0.81 g 0.79 g Top speed (drag limited) 145 mph 139 mph EPA fuel economy, city driving 20 mpg C/D-observed fuel economy 23 mpg Unscheduled oil additions 0 qt Service and repair stops: Scheduled 6 Unscheduled 1 Operating costs (for 40,000 miles): Service $566 Normal wear $0 Repair $0 Gasoline (@ $1.62 per gallon) $2828 Life expectancies (extrapolated from 40,000-mile test): Tires 40,000 miles Front brake pads 80,000 miles Rear brake pads more than 100,000 miles Notice that it only runs in the low 14's, thats a far cry from your moronic claim of 12's idiot. Even on its best day it won't break into 13's why the hell do you think it will run 12's. Go home until you learn something.
Re: American Car Fans- READ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/thomasck/Registry2.htm If you look at the top it says "Turbo only", meaning that there are no modifications, only an increase in boost pressure. You can have that boost pressure increase done by the manufacturer (upon request of course, and for a few hundred dollars extra added on to the price), so basically it's an additional performance package that is optional, thus making it stock. You're probably going to come back with the argument that it's not stock, but in this case that is your opinion thus being subjective. It doesn't change the fact that a $35,000 family wagon with a 2.0 engine will run faster 1/4 times than a Camaro SS, right off the lot. It also doesn't change the fact that the WRX (which is not even the best version of the Impreza) is capable of running 12's when a good driver is behind the wheel without any add-ons or mods. BTW, seeing as you brought up the highly modified Mustangs running 7's, you should know that there are modified WRX's running low 9's with the 2.0 engine still under the hood.
Re: American Car Fans- READ The Stagea RS260 is STOCK...from the factory. They made more than 500 of them. Well...nothin'. 1998. Even listed on this site.
Re: American Car Fans- READ I didn't doubt you in the least. It's a pretty sweet car as well, and yet another fine example of a family wagon "jap crap" putting the "dominant" pony cars in their place.
Re: American Car Fans- READ The boost would have to be well over 21lbs to get into the 12's, and nobody will do that to a stock car and still warrent it. You could get a boost controller and install that to increase boost yourself, but then it would not be stock. Again you have no clue as to what the hell you are talking about.
Re: American Car Fans- READ WTF?? it did NOT require that much boost and the Manufacturer DID do it, the owner was explaining it in one of the forums on that site, Subaru will go as high as 17ps, why? because the engine can handle it so it will still be covered under warranty. There is no boost controller. It is stock. Again, you know absolutely F*CK all about imports, so quit spouting BS as if you actually know something other than Cast Iron blocks. So I could readily say the same about yourself, wait, I just did. This is exactly what I was talking about in the other thread, yet again you refuse to accept the facts, and yet again I'm getting sick of your BS, just accept it, a STOCK 2.0 liter family wagon that's very well designed will do the 1/4 faster than your "dominant" Pony cars, end of story.
Re: American Car Fans- READ Oh, guess what? I just discovered that the WRX in the clip I posted that ran a 12.9 sec 1/4, the boost was increased by an entire 1.3psi ooohhh such a massive difference from the factory settings<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>.
Re: American Car Fans- READ Wow you're an idiot. An extra 1.3psi will not lower your quarter mile times by almost 2 seconds. Holy shit are you retarded? Please stop posting complete bullshit. You would need alot of HP to cut your 1/4 mile times down that far, and adding an extra 1.3psi will not do it. Just because its an import does not give it some type of supernatural power. I'm telling you it would need at least 20psi if not more to do that.
Re: American Car Fans- READ Wow, you're an even bigger idiot. The quarter mile times were cut by less than 1.5 seconds, with some people who have tested the WRX getting as low as 13.8 before the boost increase that means that the potential time of that one WRX was lowered by less than 1 second (with a good driver behind the wheel). Anyway the boost pressure was increased from 13.5ps to 14.8ps you do the math then if I'm so retarded. I'm telling you it DOESN"T need at least 20ps as it DOESN'T have 20ps of boost, get that through that thick ball of minerals you call a skull. As I said before, it still had 227 hp, the only increase was a small increase in Torque (I'm assuming that peak hp was achieved at a lower rpm resulting in the similar peak hp, or there was a typo), acceleration in that clip was no faster than normal for a WRX with the exception of the start, which was where the torque came in. With AWD (at least good AWD drivetrains) a small increase in torque means a significant increase in acceleration. The design of the WRX's drivetrain results in great power delivery and little hp loss to the drivetrain, that's your "supernatural power", if you can't understand such a simple concept then there's even less hope for you than I'd expected. Another thing to consider is that the majority (if not all) of those 14+ times included the Turbolag at the start of the run, the guy driving the WRX in that clip obviously suffered very little (if any) turbolag, I'm sure you noticed how fast his reaction time was. In a lot of consumer reports that end up with 14+ times they all complained about turbo lag, though very little. In summary, the WRX in that clip had 14.8ps boost resulting in > Torque (not hp) gain, and a 12.91 sec. 1/4 run due to all the afore mentioned, as well as the ability of the driver and his reaction time. Once again you are seeing things the only way you want to see them, there are so many factors involved and those factors were favourable at the time (though I'm sure that car could easily pull another 12.91 sec. run.). Quit making excuses, and quit making your jealousy so transparent, Subaru made a faster family wagon than your beloved pony cars for the same price, no matter how much evidence you'll still find ways to refute it, I guess such is the way of the weak minded who are not open to new ideas.
Re: American Car Fans- READ Ok first awd steals a lot of hp, it is not an efficent drivetrain, period. 14.8psi in a wrx will not result in a 12 second run. Stock they run low 14s. You are an idiot and I am done with this argument. Believe what ever you want.
Re: Password, you #$%#ing lying pussy. First of all, 1.3 pounds of extra boost is a MAXIMUM gain of 13 horsepower, and that's on a high-displacement engine (where higher boost pressure creates a greater gain). Second of all, it is IMPOSSIBLE to increase Torque output and not Horsepower output with a static increase in compression. The too are DIRECTLY related. Tertiary, the Cobra only runs 8 pounds of boost, let's turn THAT up 14 psi - OH LOOK! 12 Flat. It is physically impossible is go from 14's (or even high 13's) to high 12's by MERELY increasing the boost by 1.3 pounds, expecially when you're dunb ass claims that there was a ZERO increase in horsepower.. you know, horsepower?? That stuff that makes the car go?
Re: Re: As I said earlier I'm assuming that either there was a typo or the same peak hp was achieved at a lower rpm, which according to the formula for hp would mean that the peak hp could theoretically remain the same. correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to think that I'm saying the WRX is dominant in the 1/4 over your pony cars, I'm not. All I'm saying is that those cars are not so superior as so many people seem to think, and that given the performance that comes with the versatility, handling and crash safety, and near equivalent price (how much is the SS? $33,000 or something like that?) the WRX is a much better car. And in case you didn't watch the clip, the WRX accelerated no faster than the general from factory WRX, except for the very start (it had an excellent start) which would indicate little or no increase in peak hp (though peak hp may be at a higher rpm) but an increase in torque. Well that's just great for the Cobra you should feel proud, tell me again how that is in any way relevant to the discussion. Seems to me you've spent half your time lying through your teeth since I joined this forum, so perhaps you shouldn't be one to talk.
Re: Re: As I said earlier I'm assuming that either there was a typo or the same peak hp was achieved at a lower rpm, which according to the formula for hp would mean that the peak hp could theoretically remain the same. correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to think that I'm saying the WRX is dominant in the 1/4 over your pony cars, I'm not. All I'm saying is that those cars are not so superior as so many people seem to think, and that given the performance that comes with the versatility, handling and crash safety, and near equivalent price (how much is the SS? $33,000 or something like that?) the WRX is a much better car. And in case you didn't watch the clip, the WRX accelerated no faster than the general from factory WRX, except for the very start (it had an excellent start) which would indicate little or no increase in peak hp (though peak hp may be at a lower rpm) but an increase in torque. Well that's just great for the Cobra you should feel proud, tell me again how that is in any way relevant to the discussion. Seems to me you've spent half your time lying through your teeth since I joined this forum, so perhaps you shouldn't be one to talk.
Re: American Car Fans- READ Well no sh!t AWD drivetrains are inefficient as far as hp loss is concerned. On the other hand AWD drivetrains ARE efficient in that a small gain in power will translate to a better acceleration increase than the same power increase (or better power increase seeing as less power is lost) in a RWD. In other words, as far as hp goes, it's true, AWD drivetrains are inefficient, however as far as acceleration goes AWD drivetrains are very efficient. Personally I'd rather make my car faster than make it more powerful. Now, it doesn't matter whether you believe 14.8ps in a WRX will result in a 12.91 sec run (it's closer to 13 than 12 nimrod, don't try to discredit me by making it look like I'm claiming what obviously cannot be done, those times registered on that website that were closer to 12 were achieved in cars that obviously had more than 14.8 ps boost) because it did, that's all that really matters, who do you think I'm going to believe, some dumbass who's always spouting bs whenever someone offers evidence that American Muscle isn't all that cracked up as it's supposed to be, or the owner of a car who hasn't made any modifications and the clocked time at a strip.
Re: American Car Fans- READ Steals a LOT of horsepower? I don't think so. 14% vs 18%.....a 4% difference........ In a 400HP car that would equate to a 16HP difference. That's not a lot...especially when you consider the power you lose in lack of traction....
Re: American Car Fans- READ OMFG!!!that much?? Wow, I take it back, there's no frickin way an AWD could possibly keep up to a RWD if it loses THAT much power at the wheels....gimme a break. Considering the Subaru's Drivetrain is one of the best AWD drivetrains available, I think it's safe to say that it won't lose much more power at all. Thanks for pointing out how much of a difference there is BoredupR32, I knew there was more hp loss to the drivetrain in AWD but I didn't know how much, and here I was expecting about 10% more loss in hp.
Re: American Car Fans- READ 18% is for an R32 GTR...which doesn't have a locked AWD system. I would imagine a locked-train AWD would have a little less loss than a variable. To be honest with you, I've never delved into the Sub AWD system...so not exactly sure how it is set up.
Re: American Car Fans- READ Where did you find this out? about how much hp loss it lost on the drivetrain I mean. I've only ever been able to find info on whether the hp loss was high or low, but nothing specific. I do know that theoretically the Impreza's drivetrain is one of the best designed AWD drivetrains out there (right up there with some of Audi's best Quattro systems, and one of their older rally cars supposedly had the least power loss ever in an AWD drivetrain, as well as the Skyline's AWD drivetrain, and the Evo's), and I wouldn't be surprised if in determining how well an AWD drivetrain is designed, hp loss is taken into account. I would imagine a locked-train AWD drivetrain would lose less power too, and although Torque and Power are constantly being transferred between the 4 wheels in their AWD system, hp loss is minimal for an AWD.