American Vs. Asian Cars

Discussion in '2002 Honda Civic Type-R' started by ryan8624, Aug 27, 2003.

  1. Im tired of this american Vs. asian car debate, lets end it now and all drive german cars.
     
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    Yeah, that really settled alot. Heres some German for you: DUCHE BAG!
     
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    man, if you get this worked up over a car web site, get some councleing and never come back, learn to make the judgement between a joke and a serious coment.
     
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    FICK DICH SCHEISSE KOPF!
     
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    ti scorvi sin...that's polish


    SRT-4 is the future for 4 bangers and america
     
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    Why would the SRT-4 be the future for 4 bangers and America, there are faster "4 bangers"
     
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    i dont have a problem with imports, in fact i own 1, i just think that civics, let alone hondas are pieces of sh*t. also, almost all imports cant even mess with american muscle without alot of work done to them.
     
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    Dude, you're entitled to your opinion, but that's kind of retarded.
    What exactly about Honda's suck? No other company can come close in innovation and technology. Few are as good in build quality. And few passenger cars have ever been as successful as the Civic, not to mention that few other passenger cars have as much potential as a good platform for a racing car.
     
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    It's spelt D-O-U-C-H-E. Douche. Learn to spell.
    Then go fist yourself.
     
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    The civic is not a racing car and never will be. Shut up
     
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    Never said it was, I said it makes a better platform for a racing car than many other passenger cars, such as the Cavalier, Focus, Neon, Corolla, Maxima, etc.

    Try having a look at how modified Civics do in Autocross vs. how modified Mustangs do in Autocross.....oh, wait, the Mustang is a sportscar, not even classed as a passenger car, and yet the Civic does better in that.

    53/47 weight distribution, less than 1400kg, stiff chassis, Rack and pinion steering, quick gear ratios, Dual wishbone suspension setup, seats that actually hold you in place (unlike those terrible spine supports in the Mustang), and have the right seating position, and an engine that can handle mods quite well, and is easily capable of revving to high rpms (with the right mods, for those that 8500rpm is not high enough for)......sounds like the makings of a good platform for a racing car (with the right mods) to me.
     
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    As funny as that might... lolololololol... he's right. It's annoying. I love Japanese cars, and hate American ones, but I don't argue with people about it, because it leads nowhere. Even if I do argue someone into admitting that Hondas are the best or whatever... WHOOP-DEE-DOO! No one cares. So just give it up.
     
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    I have a few words for all owners of FF, I4 economy cars who think that even with modifications, their cars will be race cars.

    Get a real car. Please. The honda civic was created for fuel economy and affordability. It has no latent properties that would make it anything more than a cheap econo-box.

     
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    "Get a real car. Please. The honda civic was created for fuel economy and affordability. It has no latent properties that would make it anything more than a cheap econo-box."

    Gee, I guess the handling that is among the best for its class, 0-100 acceleration in 6 seconds, and the high revving engines mean absolutely nothing huh? hmmm....last I checked, High revving engines are ideal for racing, as they can be smaller displacement which results in lower weight, and can still put out more than adequate power in racing conditions.

    Dude, show me ONE autocross or rally event in which FWD I4's do NOT place as well as a RWD V6's. Now that I think of it, one of the best racing cars on the road today is an I4 AWD....and it can beat most RWD V6's without any difficulty.

    FWD has its advantages and disadvantages when it comes to racing, with the right weight distribution the advantages of RWD do not outweigh the advantages of FWD, likewise with the disadvantages.

    As for I4 engines, the 220hp of the 1300kg 2003 JDM Civic Type-R is no worse than the 265hp of the 1600kg 2003 Nissan Maxima.

    So I dunno what you're on about, but methinks you don't know sh!t about what you're saying.

    Oh, and btw - my 1990 Civic Si will have a K20A engine (that's 250hp easily modifiable up to 350hp on a 1200kg car - before weight reductions) and AWD when I begin competing seriously in any class other than Group-2 rally racing, sounds like a race car to me, and if you think otherwise, then you're downright retarded.


    Being such a "knowledgable" racing enthusiast, of course you DO know that in almost EVERY SINGLE racing competition there is a class for FWD I-4's, right?
     
  15. #15 BMW Fan 356, Dec 11, 2003
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    hahhahah, check out this website then, www.spoon.jp

    the civic type r is a weapon in the BTCC (thats British Touring Car Championship for your buddy). its a very quick car and in the UK, the Civic Type R is an icon. I think a civic type r can take a mustang on a track anyday.

    I suggest you stop watching asscar and fast and furious and think before you say something. Also I dont see any real ford racing programs anywhere in the world besides WRC, and the ford focus sucks ass in that as well.
     
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    As true as that may be, Ford has had their shining moments in the WRC, and at least they're beating Hyundai and Skoda....so they're not doing too bad. That said, despite all their talk, and huffing, and puffing, fords efforts have been rather laughable.




    Yes, the Civic Type-R is definitely a sweet car.......for what it is.
     
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    actually the skodas and hyundais did better most of the time than the focus. but ford was running the RS focus. I think next year isnt the lancer coming back?
     
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    In most of the events (aside from GB), at least ONE Ford came in ahead of all cars from both Manufacturers, anyway, Ford had the same amount of cars entered, and came out ahead of both Hyundai and Skoda in the manufacturers championship.

    The RS Focus is no different in modifications (in fact it's more so modified) in comparison to the production version than the Impreza WRC is in comparison to the production STi.

    Yes, the EVO is making a comeback next year, to revive the good ol' Mitsu vs. Suby rivalry again.

     
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    any idea who the drivers will be?
     
  20. #20 Ford rulez, Dec 15, 2003
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    No idea yet, and I'm too lazy to check right now.

    Though you may want to check out www.rally-live.com

    I do know that Richard Burns has been diagnosed with Cancer so he won't be driving for Subaru this year, it's suspected they may bring in drivers from one of the continental championships (winners of one of the other significant championships), but I can't remember which one.
     
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    Hey man i am not a ford fan but why you give the Mustang so much crap. I have notcied in lot's of forums that you give them heaps of crap. I live in Aus and there are hardly any Mustangs and i don't know much about em so could ya tell me what's so bad about em.
     
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    Actually, they're not so bad, I just don't like them, mainly because it's most often Mustang guys who are ignorant, assholes who know absolutely nothing of what they're talking about, and going on about imports being ryced out (including HSV's)


    the things that ARE bad about them are: Supercharged 4.6 V8 that performs no better than a Turbocharged 2.0 H4, OLD chassis makes for poor handling (though they did a good job of tuning the suspension to compensate for that), ugly IMHO, the only car I know of that comes from the factory ryced out is the Mustang GT, stinky tailpipe, sounds like a lawnmower with a 100meter exhaust pipe would sound, did I mention ugly?, old school design when cutting edge designs are needed, the most dangerous vehicle on the road (accident fatalities with Mustangs are even higher than that of the infamous BroncoII), and it's ugly.

    Now, that said, there are a lot of good things about the Mustang, unfortunately I need to go now (I'm already 5 min. late for a midterm) I'll get into it later.
     
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    Now, the Mustang is a good, cheap performer that handles excellently for its chassis, and considering it can keep up with some of the best handling road cars on pavement, that's not so bad. It can almost keep up to the Z06 which is pretty good, but its extremely heavy stature makes it too sluggish.


    It's time for an updated chassis, then maybe it will lift a few eyebrows, but until then, it is extremely overrated. Hell, when people go around saying that it's the best bang for your buck out there, and claiming it can beat a Ferrari 360 Modena, then you know they're full of shit, and I see that all too often in these forums.


    The reason I pick on it so much, is because Mustang fans are the worst of all people to go around being assholes about any car other than their car of preference. Do you want to know which too-often-used sig mine is a twist on?
     
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    Ok fair enough.

    Anyone who thinks a Mustang is the Best bang for buck is a clown. It wouldn't touch a Modena.

    Yeh i would like to know.
     
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    BTW - HSVGTO, I just realized which post you're commenting on, and I never said anything bad about the Mustang in that post other than the plain and simple truth.

    "Try having a look at how modified Civics do in Autocross vs. how modified Mustangs do in Autocross.....oh, wait, the Mustang is a sportscar, not even classed as a passenger car, and yet the Civic does better in that."

    It's true, while the Mustang may make a better race car on more open, higher speed tracks, it does not do very well at all in Autocross, too much weight, and gets worked all the time by Civics modified for Autocross (even modified Mustangs, it doesn't matter, they aren't suited for it). And the Ironic thing about that is that the Civic is classed as a passenger car, while the Mustang is classed as a sportscar, even so, the Civic walks all over it in Autocross.

    "(unlike those terrible spine supports in the Mustang), "

    well, if you've never been in a Mustang you wouldn't know now would you. I must say, I've ridden in several Mustangs (a few LX's, many GT's, and one SVT Cobra), ranging in years from 1965-2002, and in every single one, the seats were terrible, I felt like they were trying to hold my back in perfect posture, they didn't hold me in place on corners, and there are frickin pressure points that dig into your back for crying out loud! I must admit, the Seats in the SVT Cobra, and in the 1968(?) GT looked great, but that's where the "qualities" end, the ONLY less comfortable car seats I've ever been in were those in my parent's RAV4, and the seats in my friends old Hyundai Pony (Ironically enough the engine only lasted him 35,000 km under normal driving conditions, we were forced to sleep in those seats overnight....I think I'm permanently crippled from that experience<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>).

    Now, I don't rag on the Mustang nearly as much as others rag on the Civic, and yet, the Civic is as much a platform for a racing car as the Mustang, just for different forms of racing in different championships and different classes. So, look elsewhere bud, before you make your hypocracy apparent.
     

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