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Discussion in '2000 Lotus Elise 111S' started by bob777, Aug 10, 2002.

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    Put a big turbo on her and she'll run fine. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
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    Stupid
     
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    You can't stick 350 hp in an elise. Yes, proboably the best handling car in the world BUT... why? Apart from the superb lotus engineeing (suspension, incredibly rigid chasis, etc) THE WEIGHT!! That's what makes the elise the elise. A flat 8? Doesn't suit the caracter of this car, plus 1- proboably wouldn't fit and 2- would ad waaaaay to much weight to this perfectly balanced car.

    BUT... you're right. The elises engine sucks, it's an old Rover K series that sounds terrible and only gives it a great perfomance due to the elises masetery in every other aspect. Don't get me wrong. The elise is a hell of a car to drive, one of the finest driving experiences in the world even with that engine

    Solutions?? Turbocharging?? No way. I drove a 190 hp supercharged elise prepared by an english specialist and it was horrible. The elise cannot deal with the sudden power output of forced induction, even with a supercharger. I would hate to think what a turbocharger would do to this car. The supercharged elise surged, rattled... the best thing about the elise is how finely you could drive it, how perfectly you can control it, and the progressive engine was an important part of that. Supercharging destroyed the balance.

    What would I do? Put a two liter 4 in there. A good one, I'm thinking of the sort of unit used in the Clio sport (172 cv, wonderfully revvy and torquey) or try to develop a 200 hp unit. Maybe hondas 240 hp unit used in the S2000 would be too thrasy but I'd like to try it. But it has to be NA. Belive me.
     
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    <b>You can't stick 350 hp in an elise. Yes, proboably the best handling car in the world BUT... why? Apart from the superb lotus engineeing (suspension, incredibly rigid chasis, etc) THE WEIGHT!! That's what makes the elise the elise. A flat 8? Doesn't suit the caracter of this car, plus 1- proboably wouldn't fit and 2- would ad waaaaay to much weight to this perfectly balanced car.

    BUT... you're right. The elises engine sucks, it's an old Rover K series that sounds terrible and only gives it a great perfomance due to the elises masetery in every other aspect. Don't get me wrong. The elise is a hell of a car to drive, one of the finest driving experiences in the world even with that engine

    Solutions?? Turbocharging?? No way. I drove a 190 hp supercharged elise prepared by an english specialist and it was horrible. The elise cannot deal with the sudden power output of forced induction, even with a supercharger. I would hate to think what a turbocharger would do to this car. The supercharged elise surged, rattled... the best thing about the elise is how finely you could drive it, how perfectly you can control it, and the progressive engine was an important part of that. Supercharging destroyed the balance.

    What would I do? Put a two liter 4 in there. A good one, I'm thinking of the sort of unit used in the Clio sport (172 cv, wonderfully revvy and torquey) or try to develop a 200 hp unit. Maybe hondas 240 hp unit used in the S2000 would be too thrasy but I'd like to try it. But it has to be NA. Belive me.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    There is a quote from Julian Thompson in August’s edition of classic and sports cars where he talks about the conception faze of the original Elise. One of the engines that were considered for the Elise was the Clio 16v, which was rejected due to it being to expensive and to heavy.
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    Which ?

    The 2.0L 16V from the Clio Sport 172 ?<!-- Signature -->
     
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    The 2.0L 16V from the Clio Sport 172 ?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Not sure that the Clio 172 was around in the early part of 1996 was it?

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    Put a big turbo in her and watch your engine go up in a tuft of smoke and maybe some flames. The Elises engines are pushed to their limits. There's not much you can do to gain power other than a bigger engine. But that's what makes the Elise a great car. The power to weight ratio is superb. A big engine would just weigh the car down and make it handle like a cinderblock. A 170 HP Elise weighing 1200 or so pounds will beat a 379 HP Corvette weighing 2800 or so pounds, if driven properly, because it's lightweight will help it in accelerating out of corners.
     
  8. now don't yell at me guys, i love lotus elises, i could sit on gran tourismo 2 for hours sending the elise into power slides that would spin out any other car, teeter on the edge of losing the back end all the way around a 180 degree hairpin while feeding it just enough gas to keep it semi-under control, and then kick it back in line to launch outta the turn while leaving everybody in the dust (don't know about you guys, but my elise is maxed out at 284 horses, and i race it in the 345 and 397 horse categories all the time :))

    but back to the real issue. would driving such a badass car be a little of a letdown since u only have 122 horses (or 177, or 190)? would for me. my question is, do you guys think lotus could keep the elise as the best handling car in the world (arguably) and drop a real engine in there? i'm mean it's sweet that it gets over 38 miles to the gallon (eat that civic), but i'd give up the gas mileage for 350 horses if i could keep the handling. wouldn't be too expensive, they wouldn't need to make a new block, just throw in 2 of the inline 4s, or make it a flat-8, so that'd be 190x2 for 380 horses! i imagine it'd lose a little handling cause of the added weight, meaning more momentum, but aside from that would the extra power make it harder to keep from spinning it? i guess you could go light on the gas, but who wouldn't pay an extra 10-15k for that?

    just an idea, i'll sit back and await all the problems it'd cause (size, i imagine, but again they could go flat-8 and give porsche a run for its money...) damn, i'd buy one even w/ just 190 horses, but i'd just have to tune it up way higher, which'd be hard w/ just 4 cylinders
     
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    oh idea--drop an engine in behind the rear axle, like the escudo pike's peak w/ the 2 sixes--have the 190 horse 4 mid- and rear-mounted, that'd just mean the back end would have to be elongated a little but then the weight would all be on the back tires big time...sweet
     
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    yuo = T3h Gh3y.
     
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    No , it came out in 2000.

    It must be the former 2.0L that develops 150hp in the Clio Williams.
     
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    i say ya stick a viper engine in one! >P jk the engine would weigh more then the rest of the car... and, id be 2 times the size! >)

    i did read in road and track that the elise was really fun, and almost impossible to unstick the tires, but it was horribly underpowered. i also read a article somewhere where dey got a 190 hp one, and it was compared to the SVT Corba R mustang, hte elise beat it in every category, wit half the power, bu tit also had half the weight so eh. i still think it needs the viper 8.0 or maybe a bugatti veyrons W16 wit 4 turbos.... imagine 1000 hp on this thing... w0w. i bet id fly wit some wings.... oh well, go elise!
     
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    Viper engine in an Elise?.......taxi for phanofmuzik2 please!<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    mine has a v12 twin turbo. i no it lost some of its handling but its still ok in the turns. i took a lot of weight out of it and that helped the handling too.
     
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    Too bad Grant Turismo 3 isn't in real life. This car is an underpowered hunk of metal. I wouldn't have one of these even if i was looking for gas mileage. Put a real car on instead of taking up memory on ppl's computers



    P.S. A Porsche Boxster wouldn't even consider this car an even match and rember Porsche's are the only choice for speed and 0-60 and anything else you can think of.


    --Porsche95turbo
     
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    i think this car should have a lot more horses and a bigger engine, say a V6 or V8. sure the price will go up, but then agian many cars are expensive. and when i saw how cheap this car was i was suprised, so this car could easily pass for a lot more than it is.
     

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    You Chocolate. Have some semblence that cars are different in real life than their representation in a PS2 game.

    In over 2 years of Elise ownership, a Boxster has never come close to me - in a straight line or a curve, on the road or a track (and I have seen *hundreds*)

    Come back when you've grown up.
     

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