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Discussion in 'Asian Forums' started by 944turb0, Feb 14, 2008.
you were expecting it to handle like an elise? No wonder you're dissapointed.
No dude, I was refuting this ridiculous notion that with "technology" and shit, you can overcome basic physics and make a big, fat car handle like a small, light one. It's just not possible, and it doesn't happen.
The day has come when I agree with Snub. WTF. But the boy is right, you can make a large heavy car handle very well, but it will always be different to a light car.
It handles well enough to beat the 911 turbo in the Nürburgring
NO. JUST NO.
Firstly, a 1750kg Holden VE Commodore would not handle anywhere near as good as an R35 GTR thats about the same weight, so obviously technologies help out in the handling department a heck of a lot, and can make a car seem MUCH lighter than it is (by making it more agile/nimble), fact.
Secondly, comparing it to an Elise or Caterham is just silly. Its not meant to corner like they do, so obviously, that allows Nissan to have it as heavy as it is.
1. Compare it to its predecessor. (R34 GTR = 1480kg)
2. Compare it to its competition. (997 Turbo = 1588kg)
Is the (1740kg) weight holding it back from beating both of those out? No.
So why the hell does it need to be lighter?
Cause being lighter would not make it even faster and more agile...? NOT TO MENTION MORE EFFICIENT! DUUUUUHHHHHHHHHH?!#!&*#@
so the GTR isnt fast or agile enough then?
No. How would you judge what is "enough"?
by it being able beat its competition and predecessors....
If the weight doesnt hinder it from doing that .... then why on earth is it 'too heavy'?
Cause it weighs a lot.
The Vspec will show why the R35 GT-R is too heavy <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
I hate the rims, but love the R34 so much.
90s Jap sportscars > 00s Jap sportscars.
Because if it had the same amount of science and maths put into the suspension, but happened to weigh 500lbs. less, it would handle a whole hell of a lot better. Lighter is better for a high performance car. There is no way around that fact, and it's irrefutable.
I'll put it in the category of cars that slaughter your beloved POS Crapvette.
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hahahahahaha good to have you back you latinigger
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its not meant to be a whole lot better, its meant to perform about as well as a 997 Turbo. And I'm pretty damn sure they reached their target.
If it was meant to perform any better, I'm sure they would have made it a lighter, and probably a smaller vehicle.
This is like complaining that the Veyron doesnt have enough hp or something. "if the Veyron had 500 more hp, it could go even faster!"
I think its completely awesome that Nissan can say they have a car that can perform like a 997 Turbo, even though its much heavier, due to the luxuries of being a bigger car with a seemingly nicer interior.
IF technology could ever make a 3 tonne Rolls Royce move like an Elise, would you still be complaining that if it was lighter, it could perform even better? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/confused.gif"></A>
Slaughter implies that it dominates, I think edging out by a small margin is more appropriate.
Of course you'd be complaining, because that technology put into the same car that weighed a lot less would make it move BETTER than an Elise, not to mention, make it use less petrol.
It's like hitting your head against a brick wall.
You might aswell complain about the weight of every single car ever made then, because if they were all lighter, they'd all perform better.... ZOMG.
The Elise is good and all, but its weight is such a turn off, because if it was lighter, it would perform better.
Also, like anyone who could buy a RR would worry about fuel consumption, lol.
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Jesus Christ. There's an area for certain cars that's generally considered to be 'light'. The weight of the GT-R is not 'light' in it's category of car. Thus it could do with being lighter making it BETTER IN EVERY SINGLE ASPECT.
A RR owner might not be worried about fuel consumption, but they'd be more likely to trade up car or even stay in the brand if a newer model weighed 15% less, thus making it BETTER IN EVERY ASPECT and more fuel efficient in doing so.
Stick to wanting to go fast in a straight line plz. PM Koko for tips.
I realise the lighter the car, the better it performs, probably more than you do. Theres no need to emphasize those words.
In the GTRs category of cars, despite being heavier, it beats the competition anyway, so complaining that its too heavy and that its a turn-off, is probably the dumbest crap I've ever heard. The weight is a moo point, because it doesnt stop it from beating its targets.
Would you say a 997 turbo is the 'better car', just because its lighter? WTF is the real turn off???? ..... being heavier, or not performing as good as the competition?
Sure it could be lighter and thus perform better in all areas, and that would be awesome..... but leave the lightening for higher spec models and track/race versions. The GTR is great as is, and is in the top of its category. It doesnt need to thrash the competition, nor would that even be a wise move on Nissans part to raise the bar in that whole category anyway.
And believe it or not, there are lots of people who like bigger cars, and I'd say space will be part of the attraction for potential GTR owners. I'm pretty sure Nissan would have deeply thought about what size the car should be before they made it. And in comparison to size ..... is this really a heavy car? Its actually average weight.
And its not like the width doesnt add to handling strengths either.
Nissan have a bigger, and better performing car .... all hail to them.
i love the GTR i dont care if its heavy, go and drive your MR2 or something if you want a light car.
I too love the GT-R. I've not once said I didn't.
I'm saying it should have been lighter from the outset, thus making it an all around better car. They should have given it the V-Spec weight-reducing elements from the outset, seeing it it's apparently pretty easy to do seeing as they're already testing it not long after the GT-R's release, then really challenged themselves to improve on what they've already done for the V-Spec.
And I'm also not saying it should be a sub-1,000kg car, because thinking that it could be is just as retarded as saying it shouldn't/doesn't need to be lighter.