AUSSIE, AUSSIE, AUSSIE

Discussion in '2001 HSV VX2 SV300' started by YarRacing, Aug 9, 2002.

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  2. hell yea. another new upcomin car form my fatherland. keep up the good work guys ;)<!-- Signature -->
     
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    what is YOUR point then? huh?

    from down under.

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    Chevrolet engined aussie
     
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    the commodore: an aussie car with an american engine, american gearbox, rear suspension design opel ditched 20 years ago, etc etc
     
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    Japanese cars - twin cam technology stolen from Alfa and other euros , and marketed as theirs.
    Four wheel drive systems copied from Audi and other Euros and marketd as their invention.
    Boxer engines also copied from Euro and American makers and of course marketed as theirs.

    Styling that is so ugly and generic that superceded models r worth a brass razoo.

    How can people repsect this japanese makers?


     
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    the four wheel drive systems in various jap cars owe nothing to the Euros, eg the skyline ATTESA system, and the Subaru viscous coupling

    What american cars use the Boxer engine? i accept porsche beat subaru to it, but look at the other things japs have developed (just to name a few)

    Skyline ATTESA-ETS 4WD system
    polymer coatings on turbos (less friction, less lag)
    first aluminium car, honda NSX (not to sure about that one)
    best kw/l rating (88kw/l Honda S2000)

    all with the best reliability ratings in the world, which is more than u can say for Alfa

    and even if they did copy euros, they are still a lot cheaper and its still better than using overseas tech outright.
     
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    put down fast fours and rotaries

    and read up on auto history

    The chevrolet Corvair used a flat 6 engine in 1961
    the Oldsmobile Starfire had a turbo aluminium v8 engine in 1960
    The Pontiac Tempest had an OHC 6 cylinder in 1964

    the Italian coach makers were using aluminium to make the many classics that the japs mercilesly copied in the 30's, 40's and 50's

    Alfa Romeo is a classic name with a lot of culture,
    they had a bad run in the 80's but now are making quality autos again.







    as for the screaming jap engines
    The S2000 revs its head off
    but in the end its not even a very quick car

    and how much torque does it have?

    The Alfa and Fiat twin cams were doing that 40 years ago
     
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    who would want to copy the Corvaur? it almost sent GM to the wall

    and if the pontiacs of '64 could have OHC engines, why can't the holdens of 2003?

    The japs copied the italians in the 40s and 50s because it was a post - war nation struggling to get back on its feet

    I agree that alfa is now making some excellent cars - but the quality still isnt great and a WRX will still lay waste to a GTA

    the S2000 does 0-100 in mid sixes, not blindingly fast, but apart from lotus - like strippers what other NA 2 litre car will touch it?

    as for alfas doing that 40 yrs ago,remember the honda S600?

    and i agree, fast fours and rotaries blows hard
     
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    the engine in the corvair was fine

    was the abesnce of a stabiliser bar that caused it to handle bad
    it was corrected and the corvair sold ok


    WHO CARES ABOUT OHC
    whats the big deal about it

    AN OHV ENGINE WITH WELL DESIGNED HEADS WORKS JUST AS WELL
    AND IS CHEAPER TO BUILD AND MAINTAIN
    AND SMALLER TO FIT IN SMALL ENGINE BAYS


    SICK OF THIS OHC NAZI BULLSHIT
    OHC ENGINES HAVE BEEN AROUND JUST AS LONG AS OHV
    THEY ARENT A NEW INVENTION
    NO MATTER WHAT HONDA AND TOYOTA WOULD WANT U TO BELIEVE
     
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    The engines in those old hondas were basically big motorcycle engines
    late 60;s compared to the 40's and 50's

    I think the Italians had the ohc thing sussed first

    seems that O2 advantage and V-tech advertising has brainwashed a generation of our youth


    shame

     
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    The italians might have the OHC thing sussed first, but as i said, it was a post war japan struggling finacially.

    and the aussies still dont

    and a 4 valve engine will almost always breathe better than a 2 valve one, its simple maths.

    and i know the OHC thing isnt new, so why hasnt Holden adopted it?

    so what if the S800 was a big bike engine?
    they are both piston engined machines, so you could say practically every car engine is just a bike engine, or that every bike engine is just a small car engine
     
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    For a familly car like the commie
    which isnt a racing car

    a well designed ohv engine is fine
    good torque
    look at the fuel economy they get out of the commie now
    pretty darn good

    Its nice to have ohc and all that techno stuff
    but for mum and dad drivers
    who needs it

    Never mistake technology with efficiency

     
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    and then take a look at europe and japans family cars

    like the 5 series, which, in europe, is available in high tech diesels (with more power per litre than the holden V6, and better economy)and the brilliant sixes, available, of course, in australia

    the economy out of a commodore isnt great by any stretch, and i would argue that the mums and dads need the better handling (ie no roll oversteer) to compensate for their mum and dad driving ability

    and the quality is unacceptable, no matter what you say

     
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    Again with the comparing higher priced BMW's

    why the hell do we bother
    the economy of a commie 6 is quite good
    check the stats

    As for quality
    ive had 4 commodores without a problem

    no they arent perfect
    but what car is

    Holdens next v6 will have DOHC
    so u can be happy now

     
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    the BMW's are only higher priced due to tariffs, they are a family car in europe, how many times do i have to say this?

    my brother (not the one with the X5) has commodores as repmobiles, for the past 4 cars (VTII, VX, VX2, and now VY) and all of them, VY included, have had problems

    as for which car is perfect, i have owned 3 nissans (R32 Skyline GTR, S15 Silvia, and R33 GTR) and have never had a problem, save for a failed boost gauge in the R32

    and Holden adopts an OHC engine, only 40 or so years behind the rest of thw world
     
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    Even without tarrifs they would be more expensive
    not a simple as that.

    yoru comparing a small outpost of GM to a major international luxury car maker, u can dispute it all u like but thats the fact


    and like i stated earlier having worked for BMW Australia in the market research field, some of their models have problems too

    so no maker is perfect
     
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    well in europe, a GTS is more expensive than an M5

    and i know people that have worked in holden service departments

    they needed large doses of prozac to get over the complaints in a normal days work
     
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    And i Know BMW mechanics and Nissan mechanics

    maybe they should shope at the same pharmacy?

    no car maker is perfect
     
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    just some are more perfect than others, and i think holden isnt one of the more perfect makers
     
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    i believe you need a prescription for prozac, and in australia at least BMW buyers will be more demanding than holden buyers, complaining where a holden buyer would just forget about it
     
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    No I need a ric3r free australia lol

    like u need to discover your australianess
     
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    you doubt my austrlianess

    i down a few beers at the pub after work when i can
    i have a Falcon ute for work
    my favourite social gathering is a barbeque
    i enjoy footy (all codes), cricket etc.
    i surf

    can u claim that?
     
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    No I dont surf
    and i dont like rugby
    afl and soccer and F1 for me


    Does that make me any less Ausie?

    at least i support our local industry
     
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    Playing with fire there lol
     

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