Beginner Bikes!

Discussion in 'Trucks and Motorcycles' started by Kemper, May 14, 2006.

  1. I kinda want a new bike, and Aprilia don't make 250's anymore that I can see. If reports of the way the 125 handles are true, I think I'd be pretty chuffed with it. It'll apparently hang with Jap 250's in a straight line anyway.
  2. Heres the problem: Aprilias are some of the fastest 125s/250s. I think for the most part they are two strokes. In addition to the power you'll get from that, many aprilias are not street legal(at least in the U.S.) because of the pollution of two strokes. You'll want to check that out first. But yeah, aprilias are pretty high end 250s, like real racing bikes, and beginning on a bike isn't just about speed, its about all the other forms of input the bike takes from your body, so I'd recommend something more tame.
  3. That's why I'd be opting for the 125 and not the 250. I'm under no illusions that I could handle the 250 straight off the bat. From what I've read, the 125 is pretty on par in a line with some of the 250 sport bikes available here, and more cabable and balanced through the corners. I'm not after a bike that'll rip my arms off. More something to enjoy through this countries many great twisties. Plus is looks absolutly beautiful. It seems like a pretty suitable bike that I won't tire of after a few months.

    As far as pollution goes, it'll be fine here. They do exist here, just not in huge numbers.
  4. What does everybody think about starting with a Suzuki GS500?
  5. It's a dumb idea.

    250 or less. Just go by the rule.
  6. No, it isn't. That 500 isn't very fast or powerful, it's made for beginners. I don't think it's much faster than a Ninja 250 if it is even faster. In my opinion they're too expensive for what they are.
  7. OK, thanks.
  8. My cousin bought an old Yamaha 650 what they call in Canada "regular" style motorbike, its an 83, but he says despite the heaviness (he's not too big) its not a bad bike.

    I'm actually thinking of getting a bike then upgrading later, what are the stats on a Ninja 500?? either that or a Ninja 250.
  9. #109 Blackface, Jun 29, 2006
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  10. Just get a Hayabusa Turbo. When ever you fell the front end pick, just pull in the clutch and shift into the next gear.
  11. #111 lizardmech, Aug 4, 2006
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  12. I think it'd be pretty suitable, 45hp is plenty and the fact it only weighs 132 kg should make it pretty easy to manage. I have limited bike riding experience though so weight for someone else to comment before doing anything drastic. I'm still saving up (and finishing school) for a bike.
  13. Curious thread. I could tell my story of getting a GSXR1000 for my first bike, but nobody would believe it.

    But then, about that Aprilia 125, it has like 15hp, right?
    Is it designed to have that or can it be easily upgraded to that 30+ which those 125s had before EU-legislation ruined them.
  14. I would believe it.
  15. Two stroke power delivery isn't as managable.
  16. So, firstly, Id like to point out that I agree on most part with Blackfaces arguments in the beginning of this thread.

    Well, Ill begin with noting unimportant details about my life like that Im really a car person, I only strayed to bikes due to being unambitious when it comes to making money.
    Reading the forum Ive probably made it clear that Im also slightly bitter about our car/bike taxing up here in north Europe, not to mention the misery of, if otherwise perfect, too short a summer.

    I had a moped as a teenager, went to school with it, all year round. I learned to throw it around pretty much however I liked.
    I then got my drivers license and got my first car, which I still have after 10 years.
    I kinda forgot motorcycles for quiteawhile, but started to dream of them again at like 25 or something.

    So I went and rented a Kawasaki ZR-7 for a night. Now having never driven anything heavyer than a 60kg moped I was pretty nervous the first kilometres, but mostly about slowing down, even when one is careful a heavy bike can surprise when your traveling under say 20km/h. Beyond that a bike can be driven much like a car, keeping under speedlimits will not present problems in turning to corners apart perhaps ones marked as very steep.
    The ZR was so easy to drive, its 70hp was just perfectly more than I had ever experienced in any vehicle before it. Handling was as easy as I had been reading. I also had a funny misunderstanding when returning the bike next morning, I kinda expected that all real motorcycles wheelied with just by applying throttle. So I went and told the manager of the rental that I was dissapointed about this illusion being false, he quite suppressedly freaked out probably thinking I had driven his bike recklessly <A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>

    I repeated this renting routine following summers with riding a Bandit 1200 for an entire weekend, a GSX-F750 and a GSX-R600. Somewhere between these I also rode my uncles Honda 450CRF which I remember being quick but then very slow once taking it onto a freeway.
    The Bandit was very nice in being very powerful, more so than my Gixxer is. By which I mean it had more torgue in a shorter revrange. It also hid its substantial weight quite well. Also worth mentioning is it had quite good cover from wind and was a tourer beyond all my other experiences. Sportsbikes arent for traveling.
    I drove the GSXR600 late autumm of -04 and loved it for its lightness. I didnt push it really more than once, I accelerated downhill on a empty road to show friends how it gathered speed. This was the first time I really got a picture of how fullbore acceleration felt, I wheelied slightly and braked safely to a crossing at the end of the straight. That perhaps unremarkable stunt has remained the first and last recklesness on my behalf. Make no mistake, It was great, I would not remember it otherwise, but thinking later that I could have lost my license has kept me from speeding in public. On retrospect Im also quite frightened about the fact that I then had only gloves and helmet as protective gear on me.

    So that same autumn at the end of season I started seriously looking for a bike. I had in my sights something between 10000-15000e from GSX1400 to Hayabusa. I knew I wouldnt have any difficulty in taking it easy so these didnt seem dangerous in any way. I begun with buying a full set of riding gear as a start and commitment to getting that bike.
    I also deffinently wanted a new bike, something I would never need to replace/hence one powerful enough. Like my car, I intent never to sell my first bike.
    I was already choosing from a GSX-R750 and a Busa, when I notised there was a black limited edition of GSX-R1000 on sale, which as a model I had simply for some reason dismissed altogether.
    I simply had to have one. So within 3 days I had my first bike. and a loan I have soon paid.
    It was warm for a week and then got colder. I remember seeing the odometer turning to show 1km, at a gas station, leaving the store. I remember being very hungry those first days, simply didnt find time to eat <A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
    At 1000km, a day after first snow, about to take it to its first service and then to winter rest I spun her leaving a friends house. Just about the only thing I had missed while reading about what to take into consideration when learning to ride, I didnt know how slippery a +1 celsius asphalt on cold tires was.Luckily I had no speed and practically just fell from saddle when my bike went a 180 round its left side. First service turned into repair. Autumn turned to winter before I got her back repaired. No winter had ever been such waiting for me.

    Spring came. Sun melted the ice. I begun my first summer with my precious. Strangely I dont remember where or when I drove those first times on that spring. I attented to trackdays to get a feel for what lied above 8000 rpm. I was the slowest of the bunch getting overtaken by absolutely everything, luckily nobody rode a custom <A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A> ,that might have been embarrassing.
    I didnt get much faster that first summer, images of broken plastic kept coming back to me from that spin. On bright side I did get looser at end of summer and begun enjoying riding more.
    Second winter went by faster and now having a bit over 13000km of experience Im slowly beginning to learn even how to lean with it. Shes a keeper, so Im still over carefull on track and thus still last, but enjoying every time immeasurably.

    And then to arguments...

    A 600 is by all means a good bike to begin with if one knows one self to have patience to learn.
    In my opinion I missed riding streetbikes in early twenties and for this reason havent developed natural skill of steering a streetbike by really leaning. And this is taking more time to learn than I ever imagined.

    And for that "nobody will believe" part, I had ridden over 10000km before breaking 200km/h the first time, on track. Even now Im somewhere like 210 due to not too long main straight of that track. apparently its possible to go 230 if learning the breaking point well. Simply havent had any real desire to do more on public roads, where on empty conditions it would even be safer. Im on my first set of wheels too, and thinking hard whether to take the chance and learning to do a burnout to finish the set. Ill probably chicken on that, but I do intent on beginning attempts in wheelieing.

    Safe riding, watch those crossings on sunrise/down, deer and sand in spring.
  17. I was wondering what an Aprilia RS125 would be like as a beginners bike, I was under the impression they were pretty focused. What's the power delivery and that like?
  18. The 125 would be pretty peaky, pleny of go but its all in the upper rev range. If you keep on the gears they will fair move. Id love one but already have 8 sick
  19. i puttered my father in laws HD 1200 sporty across the yard while he watched. other than his forward controls throwing me off cause the brake pedal was down there it wasnt too bad. and i had to learn how to work the shifter. down into first but up into N....?
  20. Its so when you stop at lights you can just go all the way down and you know you're in first.
  21. I took lessons this weekend and got my M2. It was my first time riding and I loved it. I can't wait to be able to buy a bike, but I have to pay for school nowadays so I don't know when that will be <A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/sad.gif"></A>.

    I will definitely start on a 250cc or something reasonable. I rode a 200cc at the lessons, and it felt like that power would be enough to satisfy me while I learn. All the training was done in an empty lot, so I never really got to push it, but I so wanted to! We only went up to about 25-30 kmh tops in 3rd gear just for the sake of learning to shift.
  22. i think its down into first half way up into N and another half way to 2nd
  23. You got it.
  24. I prefer to think of first to second as a longer shift than normal and 1st to neutral as a shorter one.
  25. Yeah, that can create problems with new riders, they sometimes may not hit the shifter hard enough, so they go 1st gear, then accidentally to neautral, give it gas thinkin its second, then realize it isnt, kick it into second, but then its all revved up from bein in neutral, and yeah.

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