**Best Track Supercar**

Discussion in 'Car Comparisons' started by VIPER 5, Oct 16, 2004.

  1. Which of these supercars is capable of getting the quickest lap times. Remember acceleration, braking, handling, road holding, electronic aid systems, and some times top speed will affect track times.
     
  2. Finally got it right.
     
  3. Ignore my other polls.
     
  4. with the downforce and power to out accelerate them all (04 specs 2.9sec 10.8secs respectively) the 04 saleen is just a monster, once hitting past 100mph it is putting more downforce down than anycar in the comparo.
     
  5. The winner on this list should be either the Enzo or the F1 LM, but the Dauer 962 LeMans can beat all of these cars
     
  6. Saleen S7 is underrated.
     
  7. But thats in a different class, like a class of its own.
     
  8. S7
    F1 LM


    Carrera GT
    Enzo
    MC12


    GT2
     
  9. GT3 about halfway between MC12 and GT2, maybe closer to MC12.
     
  10. CGT. Definately not an Enzo.
     
  11. The one that won Le Mans <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  12. Id say the Enzo.

    But A production Joss, will beat them all around the track.
     
  13. GT2, a little out of place?
     
  14. #16 ajzahn, Oct 16, 2004
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  15. #17 RacingManiac, Oct 16, 2004
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    interesting stats, funny a car that equates that record is noneother than the S7R, only this time it was the Sebring 12 hours....
     
  16. No road test data to go on, but I think it's pretty funny that most of you think the MC12 is one of the worst of the group, considering it's a homolagation version of an actual race car, and also probably has one of the best power to weight ratios.
     
  17. In acceleration even though it can do 0-60 3.6 seconds it falls behind at the 100 mph. But it handling its up there.
     



  18. Here’s a Comparison between the Ferrari Enzo, Carrera GT, Mclaren LM, and Viper SRT10 Venom 650.



    Venom 650:
    0-60: 2.9
    0-100 mph: 6.5
    1/4 Mile: 10.76 @ 130
    Skidpad: 1.05
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 97
    Slalom Speed: 71.4


    Enzo:
    0-60: 3.3
    0-100 mph: 7.0
    1/4 Mile: 11.0 @ 133.9
    Skidpad: .96
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 106ft
    Slalom Speed: 71.0


    Carrera GT:
    0-60: 3.5
    0-100 mph: 6.8
    1/4 Mile: 11.1 @ 133.4
    Skidpad: .99
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 101ft
    Slalom Speed: 73.2


    Mclaren LM:
    0-60: 3.5
    0-100 mph: 6.7
    1/4 Mile: 11.0 sec @ 130
    Skidpad: .86g
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 127ft
    Slalom Speed: 64.5


    These are the basic performance specs. for the cars, which show the 650 can win at a 1/4 mile drag strip.


    As for a handling track, there are three things that make a car perform.

    1. Acceleration
    2. Braking
    3. Handling


    Lets start with Acceleration.

    0-60 and 1/4 mile times help a little here, but for a Track, the most acceleration that's done is from a certain speed to another.

    For example, when a car comes out of a turn it might come out at 60mph or 100mph then accelerate.
    The car that can go from one designated speed to another the fastest would have the best acceleration for track conditions.

    Ironically, all the cars do the 1/4 mile at Almost the same speed, they reach around 130+mph.


    Here’s what the cars do:

    Venom 650:
    0-60: 2.9
    0-100 mph: 6.59
    1/4 Mile: 10.76 @ 130

    Enzo:
    0-60: 3.3
    0-100 mph: 7.0
    1/4 Mile: 11.0 @ 133.9

    Carrera GT:
    0-60: 3.5
    0-100 mph: 6.8
    1/4 Mile: 11.1 @ 133.4

    Mclaren LM:
    0-60: 3.5
    0-100 mph: 6.7
    1/4 Mile: 11.0 sec @ 130


    Now, you get what the cars do from one speed coming out of a turn and accelerating: (0-100-0 times included)

    Venom 650:
    60-130: 7.7
    100-130: 4.1
    0-100-0: 10.4

    Enzo:
    60-134: 7.7
    100-134: 4.0
    0-100-0: 11.0

    Carrera GT:
    60-133: 7.6
    100-133: 4.3
    0-100-0: 11.3

    Mclaren LM:
    60-130: 7.5
    100-130: 4.3
    0-100-0: 11.5


    On a track, the GT and LM have the advantage out of a turn from 60; the Venom and Enzo from 100.


    Now, Braking:

    Venom 650:
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 97
    100-0: 274ft

    Enzo:
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 106ft
    100-0: 289ft

    Carrera GT:
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 101ft
    100-0: 277ft

    Mclaren LM:
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 127ft
    100-0: 314ft


    These tests show that on a track, if the cars were entering turns from 60-100mph that the 650 Could have the braking advantage going into a turn, for a while. (as it doesn’t have composite brakes)


    Finally, Handling.

    Handling is what the car does In a turn. If a car has good braking into a turn, and good acceleration off, but can't handle then the driver might have to brake Even more going into a turn, thus slowing down and loosing valuable time.


    The skidpad tells you not only the cars outer limits of handling, but also its controllability as those limits are reached.

    The slalom test quantifies one of the many components of handling: stability during radical transitions.

    For a track, these tests basically translate into, the car with the best skidpad and slalom, can hold better and Faster in a turn:


    Venom 650:
    Skidpad: 1.05
    Slalom Speed: 71.4

    Enzo:
    Skidpad: .96
    Slalom Speed: 71.0

    Carrera GT:
    Skidpad: .99
    Slalom Speed: 73.2

    Mclaren LM:
    Skidpad: .86g
    Slalom Speed: 64.5


    The Carrera GT has the high slalom, it could take radical transitions the best.
    The Venom 650 has the high skidpad, it has high outer limits.


    FOR THOSE OF YOU who don't think skidpad and slalom numbers mean anything when it comes to the track, here's some tests that, Maybe, prove otherwise.


    1997 MotorTrend Comparison:

    Skidpad (positions) 1-3

    Dodge Viper GTS 1.01 g
    Ferrari F355 1.01 g
    Porsche 911 Turbo 1.00 g


    600-feet Slalom(mph) 1-3

    Dodge Viper GTS 73.6
    Ferrari F355 72.1
    Porsche 911 Turbo 69.6


    Track Times 1st-3rd

    Dodge Viper GTS 39.4
    Ferarri F355 39.5
    Porsche 911 Turbo 40.2



    The cars with the most G’s, and slalom speed took top positions on the track



    In the june 2003 issue of MT.
    In thier 10 car shoot-out, they do a test on the track, a figure eight course layout.


    The mosler mt900 photon took 1st

    It accelerated the fastest and pulled the most g's. acceled to 83.6mph, and did 1.14g


    Second the viper srt10

    acceled to 79.3mph
    pulled 1.05g


    Third, lambo murcielago

    77.8mph
    .98g


    4th, vette z06

    75.3mph
    .99g


    And so on.

    Each place you go down for a car, like from 5th to 6th the acceleration gets slower, or the cars didn't pull as many g's.

    The figure 8 track also tests acceleration, braking and hard, long turns in both directions.


    But in that comparison, the cars that pulled the most skidpad G’s, took top places on the track.



    In conclusion/summarization:

    The three things that make a car perform on a track are acceleration, braking and handling.

    For Acceleration on a track, the GT and LM Would have the advantage out of a turn from 60; the Venom and Enzo from 100.

    For Braking, the Venom 650 does the best, but it doesn’t have composite brakes brakes (after a while, maybe brake fade would be a factor; But for one lap……)

    For handling, the GT has slalom, Venom has skidpad.

    Once again, for those of you who don't think skidpad and slalom numbers mean anything, look at the Two Comparisons i posted which might prove otherwise, because the cars in those tests which did the most g's and highest mph slalom, took top positions on the track.

    (in fact, the gts viper in that comparison did the most g's, highest slalom, and took 1st on the track)



    Considering Everything, It would be a close race between the cars.




     
  19. Nobody really knows.
     
  20. anyone read my post?
     
  21. Its too long/Im lazy
     
  22. viper 1426, your figures are wrong, definately!

    The Carrera GT actually performed 1.4g on the skidpad in the sport auto Supertest. Out of all these road cars, it handles better than the Enzo and even the Mclaren F1.

    As a race car, the Maserati MC12 has a far better chassis and areodynamic than the Saleen S7-R.

    The Vipe Venom (not in that comparo!) probably is the best car on a drag strip but doesn´t handle better than any of these mentioned above.

     

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