Chevrolet Sport Ute (South Africa)

Discussion in 'American Cars' started by Aych Es Vee, Nov 11, 2010.

  1. I may be retarded, but I didn't put an Australian car breathed upon by Africans in the American Cars Forum...
  2. AMGrulz is another reason why I h8 the Red Wings.
  4. amgrulz: "i wouldnt buy it so why would anyone else buy it HURRRR?!?!"
  5. I really dont think you can speak for everyone.
    I, personally, find it unbelievable that there isnt a large amount of single tradesman, who would want their fun weekend car and work car, in the one vehicle, just like the way it is here. Especially when (seemingly), Aussie and American car culture has been so similar over the years.
  6. This. Don't forget the Chevy SSR. Like stated many times, there isn't a large market for these faux trucks.
  7. Allow me to clarify. I do not believe that utes are bad vehicles. I'm sure they do a job and do it well.

    That said, I cannot ignore the precedent here. The El Camino stopped production in the 80's. If there were still a market, why would GM not have replaced it, hmmm? Ditto the Ford Ranchero, Dodge Rampage, VW Rabbit Combi, and Subaru BRAT. Come to think of it, Subaru eventually did get around to replacing the BRAT with the Baja - and it was a miserable failure. America does not particularly like the ute, much like it prefers sedans to hatchbacks and SUVs to station wagons. Station wagons are perfectly decent cars, but they just do not appeal to the American market. Ditto hatchbacks - though admittedly less so in recent years. You can't really rationally justify choosing one over the other, but Americans will buy what they want, regardless of how fast and exciting you make the alternative. You may rack up a few sales, but you'll never win over the masses - and that's what you'd need to do to justify importing a car. GM has been bitten twice by this. First with the GTO - just didn't sell, for reasons unknown. Gamely, they tried again with the G8. Maybe it didn't sell because Pontiac was already in its death throws. We'll never know. But that does not change the fact that it didn't sell. And, I suspect, this ute would not either. And don't bother with the semantics. Yes, they did sell G8s. No, they did not sell enough.
  8. lol im not arguing with you that it wouldnt sell (well)

    i pretty much agree with you on that

    but you're previous line of reasoning was pretty retarded.
  9. Werent all those things simply cars with a bed/tray though? And therefore had disgustingly poor payloads?

    Totally unlike a ute, which normally have vastly different suspension set ups to their sedan counterparts.
    IE; Ford Falcon sedans have IRS, where as the utes have a leaf-spring/solid-axle setup.
    Where at most, can carry 1000kg/2205lbs in its bed, while I'm sure a Falcon wagon can only carry around 350-400kg in the back.
  10. Of course he can't, nor can I. That said, we're a whole hell of a lot closer to being able to peg the US market than you are. On the whole, I don't think many tradesmen would go for a $91,000 work vehicle - no matter how fun you make it. When you get down to it, that's too much money for something that gets treated like just another tool.

    Ok, so you import a less flash version. But then you run into a separate problem. I worked in the maintenance department here at the University. I was around tradesmen all day. None of my coworkers drove anything remotely flash. One had a newer Dodge Ram (sans Hemi). Another had a Chevy Cobalt coupe - not the SS version, either. Yet another has a Ford Explorer Sport. Her predecessor had a Ford Crown Victoria. Another drove a 10 year-old Chevy Monte Carlo (the Lumina version). His coworker drove a GMC Sierra. And yet another drove a Chevy Silverado. All of them are technically skilled tradesmen, and paid rather well, but none of them drove a fast, exciting car to work.

    I should point out that none of them ever had to take tools or materials home with them - but the outside contractors who did, drove either GM/Ford/Chrysler full-size vans, or half-ton pickups. I really don't know whether the person you dream would buy the Ute exists in America in substantial numbers.
  11. The SSR used a GM truck frame, but the bed was so ridiculously finished that it wasn't big enough for a lot of things you'd put in a truck bed, and with all that flash paint and trim in the bed, you wouldn't have wanted to load it anyway.
  12. I haven't changed lines of reasoning. All I have ever been trying to state is that - given the sales history of utes in the US - importing utes doesn't make a lot of business sense. There isn't really a big market. People who buy utes in Australia don't buy them here, and didn't even when they could.

    At best, you could probably slap an El Camino badge on the Holden/Chevy and capture a few nostalgia buyers, but you'd never steal any sales from the traditional compact and full-size pickups.
  13. Odd, I mean, one of the reasons a lot of builders and such buy something like a $70,000 HSV Maloo, or FPV F6 Ute, is because of the tax break.
    Does it not work like that in America?

    I mean, say a tradesman here made $200,000 in a year, and their tax owed was $45,000. They might buy a HSV Maloo, classified as a work vehicle, ie; a tool, and you get a major tax cut (not only from the purchases of the vehicle, but any money you spend on it). The tax department will then look at it as if you actually only made $130,000, and tax owed would now be something like $22,000.

    Then again, apparently Australia is one of the only countries where tradesmen are actually so cashed up these days, and looking for ways to cut taxes back.
  14. what the #$%#? dont even bring the SSR into this. that thing was on par with the PT Loser and was meant purely for style, morons
  15. I'm not sure how independent business owners can write-off vehicles on their taxes. I don't know that any of my co-workers bother - but then again, my coworkers aren't really using them as work vehicles. I'm not sure most construction workers do either.

    I do know that companies that require rugged vehicles for work purposes choose vehicles that are cheap, above anything else (our University-provided steed was a poverty-spec 4-cylinder Ford Ranger that probably got bought in bulk for $10k apiece). You see a lot of V6 Silverados and such as company trucks. I do know that no tradesman here at the University is pulling down $200k a year, but our vehicles don't cost an arm and a leg like yours do.
  16. Look. We sold utes in the US for decades. They sold ok as niche market vehicles. Then, one by one they all died out because sales tanked. Every attempt to sell similar vehicles since then has failed. It doesn't matter what the situation was 20-40 years ago, it matters what it is now.

    As AMG pointed out it has nothing to do with being a good vehicle or not. Station wagons used to sell like pancakes here too... Now hardly anybody buys them, but they still sell well in Europe. Hatches have always sold well in Europe, used to never sell here, but now they're improving in sales in the states. All just local preference, and recent history dictates a ute would not do particularly well here.
  17. Obviously not. I'm not saying they literally wouldn't sell one. They might be able to sell thousands a year... But is a few thousand a year enough to justify the trouble? They certainly won't slang a half million a year or anything. You said earlier they already have it setup for LHD I think. If so, MAYBE they could make it financially viable. Maybe. However it's never (in the near future) going to be a mainstream alternative in the states.

    Even though I have no personal interest I'd welcome GM to try to sell it here, especially if they already have it setup for LHD and it wouldn't be too costly of an experiment. Since there would be literally ZERO competition, they might be able to pull it off and make a few bucks. All I'm saying is I don't think it would go over as awesome as you think it would.
  18. If you're a business owner you can write that kind of stuff off just as in Australia. People do all the time. I sold many a fully loaded 60K Diesel in December just for this purpose!

    Bottom line is though, people WOULDN'T buy them. They'd still buy the full size truck. You're right in that Aussie and US car culture has always been amazingly similar... But they're not identical. Americas infatuation with the Ute ended in the 80s for whatever reason, whereas it has continued down under... At least we both still like big sedans with V8s <A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
  19. What a train wreck.
  20. I just dont get how Holden can sell so little in comparison to its North American cousins, and still make enough profit for development of new vehicles.

    If Holden can make money from 50,000 Commodore sedan sales per year (and like, 12,000 utes), Surely GM can make money from similar sales in the US? Unless there is far less profit for manufacturers with the sale of each vehicle, in comparison to Aussie sales.
  21. This car has 535 hp, your POS has 100 hp

    therefore 535 - 100 = 435

    therefore this car has 435 hp more than your POS

    I know you dont have schools in Uruguay or guatemala or somalia or where ever you are from, but come on, surely you can subtract and add
  22. I believe the recent pitfall for Australian models sold here is the cost of building them in Australia and then shipping them halfway around the world to sell them here. That seriously cuts into the profit margin. Plus, you have ridiculously high car prices, so it may take less sales to break even (though I have no idea what the labor costs are like there).
  24. Thanks.
  25. AMGrulz, exer51 and ETB4U sharing the same opinion... I see a pattern. Do you see it?

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