Do any of you even know?

Discussion in '2004 Pontiac GTO' started by rex4ev, Aug 10, 2002.

  1. what you're talking about, that is.

    you guys think it's so awesome because it has an LS1 in it.

    come on. you can put an LS1 into a riding mower!(cool) but anyway, this is nothing new or special. just another clone.
    when the next gen camaro comes out, that would be something to get excited over. not this.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    camaro is dead man they canned it cause chevy sucks all bow to pontiac
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from rex4ev</i>
    <b>what you're talking about, that is.

    you guys think it's so awesome because it has an LS1 in it.

    come on. you can put an LS1 into a riding mower!(cool) but anyway, this is nothing new or special. just another clone.
    when the next gen camaro comes out, that would be something to get excited over. not this.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Nothing special? Atleast 350hp, rwd, nothing special? What do you drive?<!-- Signature -->
     
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    get over it. GM has had the LS1 in how many cars now? this rebadged monero is NOT a GTO. this is a slap in the muscle car lovers face.

    oh yeah, i drive a 95 Cub Cadet with an LS1-turbo charged engine pumping out 484 HP @ the blade deck!

    it can cut a square acre in 3 minutes flat!<!-- Signature -->
     
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    This is not a slap in the face for muscle car lovers. In Australia we have our own muscle cars just like you do in the US. The old Monaro was a classic muscle car and this new one is even better
     
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    smack heres gm:

    "General Motors Press Release 8:00 a.m EST June 20, 2002

    Pontiac Confirms GTO Production



    DETROIT —

    General Motors and its Australian division, Holden, have completed an agreement to return the legendary Pontiac GTO to U.S. highways in late 2003 as a 2004 model. Holden will produce up to 18,000 of the modern, high-performance coupes each year at its Elizabeth plant.

    Bob Lutz, Chairman of GM's North American Operations, was a key player in bringing back the GTO as a modern interpretation of the legendary muscle car. After he drove the Holden Monaro during a recent trip to Australia, he knew he had found a vehicle to serve as the basis for the new GTO. "I love driving this car," Lutz said, raving about the Monaro's 5.7-liter V8, 6-speed manual transmission. "It shares that V8 heritage and a brawny, muscular stance with the classic GTO, and it will make a fine flagship for Pontiac.

    The addition of the 2004 GTO to the Pontiac lineup is a giant step in Pontiac's mission to contemporize the way it expresses excitement for the 21st century. "We want to focus on creating vehicles with a clean, fresh expression of Pontiac styling and provide our customers with a 'total performance' package that delivers both impressive power and superior handling," said Lynn Myers, Pontiac-GMC general manager.

    "In the 2003 model year, we have the all-new Vibe® and the fresh look of the restyled Sunfire® and Grand Am® SE. We are following that with the totally redesigned 2004 Grand Prix® in the first quarter of 2003," said Myers. "The introduction of the new GTO in late 2003 will be the 'exclamation point" on the exciting evolution of the division, moving Pontiac performance to the next level."

    2004 PONTIAC GTO

    The 2004 Pontiac GTO will share much of the sculpted and clean styling of the current 2002 Holden Monaro CV8 coupe, with unique Pontiac brand character, including a dual-port grille and powered by a specially tuned version of the 5.7-liter LS1 V8 (shared with some models of the Chevrolet® Corvette®) mated to a choice of either a 6-speed manual or 4-speed automatic transmission. The rear-wheel-drive coupe will feature 17" alloy wheels, 2+2 bucket seating, and a premium sound system with an integrated 6-disc CD changer. Additional performance and feature details are still being finalized and will be released closer to the public unveiling of the GTO at the Los Angeles and North American International Auto Shows.

    HOLDEN MONARO

    The Holden Monaro was originally introduced in 1968 and was immediately lauded as the ultimate high-performance coupe. It was the first all-Australian sports coupe of its type. Strong public sentiment led Holden officials to bring back the Monaro name for its all-new 2001 coupe. Monaro became an instant classic when it was released in Australia last October and has become the most high-profile, sought-after car on Australian roads today.

    GTO HISTORY

    The Pontiac GTO sprang to life in 1963 as a 1964 model. It has been called the most famous muscle car in the high-performance automobile history. Also known as "The Legend" and "The Great One," GTO is the car that started it all.

    Prior to 1964, performance cars were full-size hardtops and sedans with the largest displacement engines available. But, hot rodders had known for years that they could go faster if you put big engines in smaller, lighter cars. Engine swaps were standard operating procedure for this level of car buff, but that was backyard tinkering, not corporate engineering.

    Driving enthusiasts' dreams came true in October of 1963 when the $299.95 GTO option, RPO W62, quietly joined the 1964 Pontiac Tempest®/LeMans® option list. The heart of the original GTO option package was a 325-horsepower 389-cubic-inch V8, a Carter AFB four-barrel carburetor, rear-wheel drive, a hydraulic camshaft, and impressive torque. Other standard features included a heavy duty clutch, heavy duty suspension, dual exhaust, US Royal red-line tires, a 3.23:1 rear axle ratio, twin hood scoops, and an assortment of GTO emblems.

    Before Pontiac ceased production after the 1974 model year, nearly 700,000 GTOs were sold."
     
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    Rex is right. The new GTO is a slap in the face to American Muscle Car Enthusiasts. The Monaro is an Australian car and we want a "home-grown" GTO. It's a nice car, but it isn't American design and something like a Pontiac GTO should most definately be. Taking a pencil pusher's standoint, the new GTO will attract a younger audience, just as the original did, but it will lose the older market because of the new car's Australian heritage.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from lettingthecablessleep20</i>
    <b>camaro is dead man they canned it cause chevy sucks all bow to pontiac</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Realize they canned the Trans Am too and that Chevy and Pontiac are both divisions of GM. NOt to mention that Chevy has the honor of having the Corvete in its stable.
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from joeybballer</i>
    <b>Rex is right. The new GTO is a slap in the face to American Muscle Car Enthusiasts. The Monaro is an Australian car and we want a "home-grown" GTO. It's a nice car, but it isn't American design and something like a Pontiac GTO should most definately be. Taking a pencil pusher's standoint, the new GTO will attract a younger audience, just as the original did, but it will lose the older market because of the new car's Australian heritage.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You're the only one NOT in denial from the chevy/pontiac crowd.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    this is a great example of the corporate mind. . .

    Bob Lutz, Chairman of GM's North American Operations, was a key player in bringing back the GTO as a modern interpretation of the legendary muscle car. After he drove the Holden Monaro during a recent trip to Australia, he knew he had found a vehicle to serve as the basis for the new GTO. "I love driving this car," Lutz said, raving about the Monaro's 5.7-liter V8, 6-speed manual transmission. "It shares that V8 heritage and a brawny, muscular stance with the classic GTO, and it will make a fine flagship for Pontiac.

    so here's the beef i have with this. he said he knew he had FOUND a vehicle as the basis for the new GTO. found? are you kidding me?

    the legendary GTO should'nt be FOUND anywhere! they should have been willing to spend the money to build it from the GROUND up. not FOUND.

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    <b>camaro is dead man they canned it cause chevy sucks all bow to pontiac</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Realize they canned the Trans Am too and that Chevy and Pontiac are both divisions of GM. NOt to mention that Chevy has the honor of having the Corvete in its stable.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Well, now Pontiac will have the honor of having the GTO in its stable.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from joeybballer</i>
    <b>Rex is right. The new GTO is a slap in the face to American Muscle Car Enthusiasts. The Monaro is an Australian car and we want a "home-grown" GTO. It's a nice car, but it isn't American design and something like a Pontiac GTO should most definately be. Taking a pencil pusher's standoint, the new GTO will attract a younger audience, just as the original did, but it will lose the older market because of the new car's Australian heritage.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    So what if it will lose the "older market"? Most of the people who remember the original GTO wouldn't buy something like this anyway. This car is directed at a new generation, and it's not supposed to attract older buyers. There's no need for it to be as much like the original as possible.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from joeybballer</i>
    <b>Rex is right. The new GTO is a slap in the face to American Muscle Car Enthusiasts. The Monaro is an Australian car and we want a "home-grown" GTO. It's a nice car, but it isn't American design and something like a Pontiac GTO should most definately be. Taking a pencil pusher's standoint, the new GTO will attract a younger audience, just as the original did, but it will lose the older market because of the new car's Australian heritage.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    So what if it will lose the "older market"? Most of the people who remember the original GTO wouldn't buy something like this anyway. This car is directed at a new generation, and it's not supposed to attract older buyers. There's no need for it to be as much like the original as possible.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    i'm looking for a balance somewhere in between. a few retro cues and touches that bring back some memories. or if they wanted to go in the other direction, the GTO Concept was a great looking design.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    GM owns the freaking monaro so why is it so stupid that it is based on the monaro????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from rex4ev</i>
    <b>the GTO Concept was a great looking design.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I think the GTO Concept looked like something outta Carmageddon.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    lol. yeah alittle like something you would expect to see in a madmax movie. i like it's use of pontiac design cues in an origanl way. it's definitely over the top, but so are all new designs. <!-- Signature -->
     
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    I feel your pain, i like homegrown cars with homegrown parts, in 1998 holden stopped using its 308ci 5 litre V8 in its commodores (sedan version of the monaro) mainly because it would not pass tight emission restrictions, they had used that motor for about 30+ years.
    but instead, they decided to put in a chev 350 (gen III) to replace it, i was mortified, the aussie V8 was now an american V8, the australian muscle car was now an american muscle car, the aussie muscle car was what seperated me from the import croud with their suburus, nissans, etc. sure the gen III is a fantastic motor (with alot of potentual) but it is american, just like how our good ol 202ci 6 cyls were replaced with the buick 3.8 litre V6. both american engines are a good improvement on the old, but they are american motors powering australian cars. i guess it could be worse, they could have used a lexus V8 <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
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    And what exactly is a REAL GTO?

    The "real" GTO was a V-8 in a damn Tempest.

    Damn you kids are stupid.

    Spyder757
     
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    What's that? What's that? Styling cues from a Grand Prix? How can you design a so-called "Heratige car" (in my definition, a car that is loosely based on the ORIGINAL) off of a new family car? It's crap! The idea of a new, big car with all kinds of power is a good one, but give it it's own identity, like the one it used to have, not the one that all of your other cars have! C'mon, Pontiac is going down the crapper, first the Ass-tec, now this?
     
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    Hey apocolipze leave aussie cars alone!. so what if Aussie Monaro's are american powered. Us Aussies have invented good things america hasn't. HEY AMERICA INVENT FORD! and they are unrelaible Holdens are reliable. As Bathurst showed us the Reliablity of Fords and plastic bags!. And remember We in vented the Monaro in the 60' sand the '70's
    if the Monaro hadn't been invented you wouldn't have the Pontiac GTO!

    Sorry if i have offended anyone

    Dan
     
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    I have to agree with rex4ev, this new acclaimed GTO is nothing like the old ones were, it has no real connection with the old GTO other than its a 2dr sports coupe with some good power and torque, and its a pontiac. this new GTO is in a sense too different for the crowd that was expection the GTO to be like the old one to accept as easily. this car is obviously all aussie design. and the original GTO was clearly all american design. and neither f them look even remotely alike. i'm sorry to say, but pontiac seems to have gotten lazy in designing and just sent themselves on a one way trip down the tube. face it, its nothing like the old one, and people will hate it for that. america needs originality, not foreign copies labled as american.
     
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    What is in a name?

    If it was called the new 'Pontiac Americans Are Tops' would you like it less or more?

    Fact is the old GTO and the new car are (and were always going to be) two very different cars..

    For one, no more vinal interior trim...

    Urm, you guys do realise that GM-H (General Motors Holden) is just another division of General Motors, it's still an american company, built with American money, using an American engine and transmission, built on an old General Motors Germany (Opal Omega) platform modified down to a (cheap) base in Australia, concept is still a 2 door large car seating 4-5 (no convertible though).
     

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