Doubts about Bugatti Type 101s

Discussion in 'Classic Cars' started by Joao Gois, Nov 5, 2008.

  1. #1 Joao Gois, Nov 5, 2008
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    I've been lately researching about the last Bugattis built (Type 73, 101, 251 and 252) and I've stumbled upon some info regarding the 101 C Antem Coupé and the 101 Guilloré Coupé, mentioning the rest of the chassis (eight in total), but the timelines described don't add up with each other. I'll leave you the articles on the auctions of both cars:

    "Eight cars were produced in total and allocated chassis numbers ‘101500’ to ‘101506’ inclusive, possibly missing out chassis number ‘101505’. The prototype, chassis number ‘101500’, was a factory-built, four-door saloon with coachwork in the modern, full-width, postwar style, whereas chassis number ‘101502’ was a coach (a two-door saloon) by Guilloré of Courbevoie and the only Type 101 to feature separate front and rear wings. According to Barrie Price’s 1957 Album Bugatti, the body is believed to have been conceived for a Delahaye. Two further examples, a cabriolet and a coach, both by Gangloff of Colmar, were displayed at the 1951 Paris Motor Show held between 4th and 14th October. The former was chassis number ‘101501’ and the latter (perhaps originally the ‘missing’ chassis number ‘101505’) was, for some unaccountable reason, allocated the Type 57 chassis number ‘57454’ from one of the 1936 Type 57 G ‘Tank’ sports-racers.
    Of the three remaining cars, chassis number ‘101503’ is another, more attractive, Gangloff cabriolet, ‘101504’ is a two-seater fixed-head coupé bodied by Antem of Paris in 1955, and ‘101506’ was fitted in 1965 with a futuristic open two-seater body by Ghia of Turin. All seven cars have survived to the present day, three in the French National Motor Museum at Mulhouse, and all except ‘101502’ are listed in Hugh Conway’s 1962 Bugatti Register."
    -----------> in http://www.bugattibuilder.com/wiki/index.php?title=101502 (Bonhams)


    "Four years passed in which the family partially settled its differences and the Molsheim works were rebuilt, supported by orders from the French railways for parts and service on the Royale-engined Bugatti railcars, subcontract production of weaving looms, castings, and machining work for Citroën. But the Bugatti automobile remained central to the Bugatti tradition and general manager, Pierre Marco, along with Roland Bugatti – the youngest of Ettore’s children from his first marriage – created the Type 101, two examples of which graced Bugatti’s stand at the 1951 Paris Salon. These were a drophead coupe by Gangloff and a two-door coupé by Paris-based Antem – the car offered here."
    ----------> http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/classic-cars/948-bugatti-type-101-ghia-roadster-3.html

    I mean, the Bonhams release states the two prototypes presented in Paris 1951 were the #101501 Gangloff Cabriolet and the #57454 101 Gangloff Coupé, being the #101504 101 Antem Coupé delivered in 1957. On the other one it contradicts, saying the two presented were the #101501 Gangloff Cabriolet and the #101504 Antem Coupé. COuld someone shine some light to this subject?
     
  2. #2 Richard Owen, Nov 27, 2008
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  3. #3 Joao Gois, Dec 4, 2008
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    Hmmmm... Ok, so the first two were the #101501 Type 101 Gangloff Cabriolet and the #57454 Type 101 Gangloff Coupé.

    I guess I could write something on them. I've been searching a bit on them...
    OK, I'll post an article with the info gathered on all 101s. Do I have to make "add Supercar"?
     
  4. A couple of questions regarding the Jean Antem bodied Bugatti Type 101C, Chassis No. 101504.

    [1] Within the passenger compartment, what, if anything, is behind the two front seats?

    I have never seen a photograph that shows that area of the automobile.

    The write up at the Bugatti Wiki: "101504: Appeared in September 1954, this half-compartment fitted with body by Antem ...," suggests that it only has two seats.

    I have recently purchased a rather expensive, 1:43 scale model of that automobile in its original configuration, the Ma Collection model MAC-80B, "1953 Bugatti Anthem Salon De Paris". That model has a narrow, shallow, rear bench behind the front two seats, implying that it is a “2+2”.

    [2] Original paint color?

    I had an opportunity to see this automobile at the Harrah Automobile Collection in Reno, Nevada, in the late 1960s. At that time, it was still painted in the same dark green color as the MAC-80B model. Does anyone have any insight as to why this automobile was painted in a color that would be far more appropriate for, say, a British Bentley? It is my understanding, that it was René-Guillaume Bolloré, a former French resistance fighter and wealthy businessman, who later married Ettore's widow, née Geneviève Marguerite Delcuze, who had commissioned its construction.
     
  5. good day sir
    i just a beggener in bulding car models and need a desigen of old cars dusenber can you pleas tell me where can i find that
    have a good day
     
  6. emadmodels, I'm afraid I can't help you if your goal is to scratch build a model from a copy of the original blueprints. I haven't had any luck in that area myself (locating blueprints). The alternatives are to create a set of plans yourself based on either measurements from photographs or an existing scale model. For photographs this is one of the better web sites and if the car was up for auction, the RM Auctions web site may have some additional photographs to supplement the ones here. One of the problems with making measurements from a photograph is scale distortion. This is particularly true for larger objects. I remember reading that folks who model ships in particular and architectural structures (the Eiffel tower) have a saying, we can either build it to scale or build it to look right, but not both. For existing models you are in luck, the Dusenberg was a very popular automobile among collectors and hobbyists and thus finding a kit or built-up model shouldn't be too great a problem. To keep your costs down, first try searching for a discounted model (search: "Duesenberg" in Toys & Games) on Amazon's web site and then proceed to the specialists' web sites that cater to collectors. Pre-built models vary in both quality and price. A higher price does not always guarantee a more accurate representation. Among my most recent purchases (a Facel Vega, a Peugeot, and a Bugatti), I have been pleased with both the price and the quality of the built-up 1:43 scale models produced by IXO. I wish you well in your endeavor and will leave you now with a quote from GM's first chief of design, Harley J. Earl (an advocate of clay modeling) to inspire you: "A picture is worth a thousand words, and a model is worth a thousand pictures."

     
  7. what's a desigen
     
  8. hi i em profishnal tobeggener an wish tuo desegen prefect tobeggen!
     
  9. Hi, among others, these two classic cars really caught my attention. I do like seeing cars from the past. These two might be in the early 5o's? It is good that it looks like a new one especially the light blue one. I find it one of the most valuable and significant car in history.
     

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