EVO drives the MP4-12C

Discussion in 'European Cars' started by Tipo F130A, Feb 14, 2011.

  1. Not all carbon fiber is made in a three town area in England, a huge chunk of motorsports carbon is, but not all. Not all the blocks are made in England, just most of them. Hell the Chevy Nascar engines are casted in England by a company that casts engine blocks for a few F1 manufactures.

    It is just a guess, but 25% of the cost would not be unreasonable. A good 2/3 of the engine is probably made by suppliers, to either Ferrari specs or the suppliers own design. And most of those suppliers are probably in England. I think Ferarri casts their own blocks.
     
  2. I relooked into that after I posted it and you are correct. but strictly speaking from a motorsports standpoint the point stands.

    IIRC Ferrari doesn't cast their own blocks but that very well could have changed since last I was involved in Ferrari Racing (never worked in/for the F1 team but know some that do).
     
  3. I love how you think liking old/classic cars are lame, yet still talk about how you love heritage.
     
  4. We can discus my shoe size, my family relations and what you prefer to have up in your butt but it still doesn't change the fact that this is BS:

    "except that 95% of winning race cars are made in britain"
     
  5. give me proven research that it isn't true. infact if I'm not within 10% with that number I'll send you a part from a historically meaningful Ferrari.
     
  6. French Sport auto has the same verdict.

    More torque, comfort at lower speed and way more manageable on the limit.

    They are craving for a face to face vs the Italia.

     
  7. Too bad Ferrari are chickenshits, if the McLaren is so crappy as the Ferrari fan boys claim, then what is Ferrari afraid of?
     
  8. A: Why is Ferrari chickenshit?
    B: Who claim the MP3 is crappy?
     
  9. It's been spelled out several times already. Ferrari put a lockdown on all 458 press cars right as the MP4-12C was first being driven by the press. So not one magazine could do a direct side by side comparison. You're telling me that's a coincidence?
     
  10. The MP3 media presentation took place in Spain where McLaren had established a whole "village" with 50 technicians and other staff members and heaps of press cars. Why would Ferrari send a press car directly to the compititors "fortres" when the McL Mp3's will be available for comparisson tests in all relevant markets (UK, Germany) in a few months? It's not being chiken shit. It's just being clever. Trust me, you'll see comparisson tests with the two cars soon supported by Ferrari.

    And who was retarded enough to claim that the Mp3 is crappy? Nobody with a brian I think...
     
  11. Again your skewed marketing logic comes through, wherein it's "clever" to protect your product from any objective review or comparison even if there's nothing wrong with the product.

    The 458 is an extremely good performance car, what would be the harm in putting it up against another car in the same segment on their press day if it can stand on it's own? Are you implying that McLaren is pulling a Ferrari themselves and providing press cars which perform better than customer cars?
     
  12. No harm, it's just not nesscary to spend the money and time doing it, when the McL's will be available on the respective markets for tests soon. Also Ferraris ressources are probably focussed on other and much more important stuff righ tnow...
     
  13. A has been established already
    B you compare the McLaren to korean cars, I do not belive that is meant as a favorable comparison for the McLaren
     
  14. Quote from Car's Chris Chilton came about 2 weeks after the McLaren launch (the reports of which were embargoed for all press). This means at the time, Ferrari's lockdown was still in effect and he reiterated as such when asked when a 458 vs MP4-12C comparo would take place (not anytime soon). Chilton's comment didn't say Ferrari locked down the 458s for comparison purposes; they were just locked down. This would rule out a scenario like the one published in TopGear, where Porsche's UK press car was driven down to the GT-R media event around the Nurburgring. How much time, money, and resources did it cost Porsche to allow this test to happen? Or are you saying the 458 can only be provided with the full support crew (F1 truck, tires, engineers, etc)?
     
  15. I'd rather have the Gallardo LP560 or LP570 Superleggera!

    This MP4-12C looks good and performs really well, but to me it sounds boring, and thats a big part of a car like this!

    Looks, overall performance and engine/exhaust-sounds <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>!
     
  16. And ever since the GT-R has been known as the car that kicked Porsches ass in their own back yard - the Ring.
     
  17. And yet that didn't stop 911's from outselling the GT-R by around 4:1. Is that what Ferrari is so worried about? Sales? If so, maybe the McLaren can be just that good, and deserving of the respect you're not giving it.
    My other point is that it cost Porsche next to nothing in providing that Turbo for testing. The fact that their car rolled away from that GT-R mule on the autobahn might actually have done some good.
    If you read carefully Harris's review, he's very reserved in his praise of the McLaren, contrary to what some idiot F-car fanboys think. And in a few months time, if the 458 is declared the better car (which it might) on the grounds that technical brilliance is not the same as having soul, then it will only highlight what a bunch of paranoid #$%#s Ferrari have been by locking down their press fleet.
    And does it really take a support crew to chaperone the 458?
     
  18. Guibo OWNED this guy 10 times now.
     
  19. And yet that didn't stop 911's from outselling the GT-R by around 4:1. - Which is a disaster if it was supposed to out sell it 5:1

    Is that what Ferrari is so worried about? Sales? - No not sales, costs. Why bring the press car to McL when the McL comes to the press cars of Ferrari? And time, and staff ressources pt.

    If so, maybe the McLaren can be just that good, and deserving of the respect you're not giving it. - The McL is amazing and I respect it for it's tech and performance. A supercar just cannot be so anti-designed.

    My other point is that it cost Porsche next to nothing in providing that Turbo for testing. The fact that their car rolled away from that GT-R mule on the autobahn might actually have done some good.

    If you read carefully Harris's review, he's very reserved in his praise of the McLaren, contrary to what some idiot F-car fanboys think - Correct but he is still using pretty much every opportunity he gets to mention where he thinks the McL is better than the 458, even though he is not a fan of the McL. To a point where it becomes problematic for his credibility (too late anyway...)

    And in a few months time, if the 458 is declared the better car (which it might) on the grounds that technical brilliance = 458 is not the same as having soul, then it will only highlight what a bunch of paranoid #$%#s Ferrari have been by locking down their press fleet.- No big deal because nobody knows about this and the 0,001% who knows and cares will forget about it very soon.... (The Chris Harris vs Ferrari issue didn't even make it to the media)
    And does it really take a support crew to chaperone the 458? - No maybe not. See above.
     
  20. quoted for maximum loads
     
  21. SCHINP:
    And what if it was only supposed to outsell the GT-R 3:1? See, we could play this all day. The point is, despite the average 911 transaction price exceeding the GT-R (and being slower), Porsche still outsold Nissan by a sizeable margin. Wanna bet Porsche made massively more profit on each one sold too?

    Re: costs, staff
    How much time and money does it take to dispatch a press car for a test? When Ford let Evo take a Ford GT to Maranello, they pretty much just tossed the keys to the journalists. No entourage required. Are you seriously telling me Ferrari's UK PR arm had ZERO staff on hand? If it takes *so much* time and staff for one single car, that says a lot about the lack of faith in their product.

    Re: anti-design
    That's a matter of personal opinion. Not everyone has to fall down dumbstruck by the sight of a 458. In fact, I'm pretty sure there are those who think it looks like shit.

    "Correct but he is still using pretty much every opportunity he gets to mention where he thinks the McL is better than the 458"
    Oh, FFS. You don't think that's part of his JOB as a journalist? Chris Chilton of Car did the same thing. So did Steve Sutcliffe of Autocar. So did Sport Auto of France, apparently. It would be pretty dumb to ignore the 458 as an obvious rival to the McLaren. Is the 458 not the benchmark of the class? This matchup has long been awaited by supercar enthusiasts. It seems you are just buttsore because he had ANYTHING to say about the McLaren being better.

    Re: Chris Harris issue not making it to media
    If it didn't make it to the media, then how does nearly every car enthusiast forum from ferrarichat to corvetteforum, rennlist, e90post, germancarforum, nasioc, lotustalk, teamspeed, vagdrivers, clublexus, supraforums, seatcupra know about it? Even paintballers are talking about, LOL. In fact, many of his individual issues have been brought up in official print media before.

    Re: nobody knows about Ferrari's lockdown
    Members of PH know about it. You don't think members of ferrarichat and Club Scuderia UK know about it? Some probably do. And...I'm guessing Ferrari know about it too. As well as competitors of Car Magazine who have probably asked for the same thing. But we are not discussing this with any of them. The important thing is that I'm discussing this with you, and we both know about it.
     
  22. Sir, I do believe that is called rape
     
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  24. nah that was far to classy to be just rape.

    that was more british rape. it happened but there was discussion about how it would happen.
     
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