FATAL RALLY CAR

Discussion in '1985 Ford RS200' started by Homero, Aug 10, 2002.

  1. I think this is a beutiful car and was very good in Rallycross.

    But in the World Rally Championship never won a race. It was an "unlucky-fatal car".

    The rally pilots did confess that it was very hard to control. And the prove was the RS200 took part in two of the fatal accidents that decided FIA to ban the "Group B".

    1) In March 1986, the Portuguese driver Joaquin Santos loose control of his Ford RS200 in the Portugal Rally. He kill three spectators and serious hurt 28 more. The official teams decided to retire of the rally.

    2) In September 1986 Formula One driver Marc Surer ended his professional career when he crashed his Ford RS200 on the Hessen Rally in Germany. The tragedy cost the life of his co-driver. He has recovered from serious burns.
     
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    Harsh
     
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    1) Santos
    2) Surer
     
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    Yeahh.......
     
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    The group B class was indeed a dangerous race-class, not only for drivers but also for spectators.
     
  6. group B

    Does anyone know where I can buy a movie or somthing with group B competition. If you do email me. I saw one of these at a rally race, he wasnt racing, but it was so damn nice. A white one. This is the only Ford car I have any interest in at all, and one of the only American cars.
     
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    Actually, it's not an American car. It was entire made and designed by Ford Great Britain and Ford Germany.
     
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    Cheap american car.
     
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    Looks good, I wouldn't trust the performance though.



    BTW - if you're actually rich, you'll fund a rally team for me, no lame excuses<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
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    This is the most awesome car ever made!! Imagine yourself blasting through the forests at 240kmh!!

    Before u all start whining about this cars results in group b, remember that it only competed in one season, whitch was for testing!! This car could have been king of group b if it had'nt been canceled.
     
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    As opposed to blasting through the Forests at 240km/h in any other Group-B car?

    Remember, it was cancelled because it was a dangerous car to drive, and because it caused the deaths of 4 people. There were faster group B cars than this one.

    It was cancelled for a reason.
     
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    sorry to dmpen your fires but reliant asembled the RS200. i think it was in swindon but i could be rong on the location

    i've got a ford mondaeo 1.8i 16v with k&n 57i induction kit,pipercross cams,pipercross cam belt, pipercross cb-26b inlet manifold breather, gas flowed ported,polished and skimed 1.5mm changing compression ratio to 8:6:2 instead of 6:5:1 more compression bigger explossion, lighted bottom end out of 2.0i model, grey ingector's, -31 act, koni -50mm allround gas shocks and springs (adj) full st24 body kit £3000 I.C.E install full custom 3inch, total resrayed midnight blue, with 17" 205/40 masitaly RPM wheels costing £200 a corner

    total cost £7500 exc ice

    I had a rolling road test and my car was rated at 284bhp@315lb@4500

    i say again 1.8i ztec il4
     
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    The pics are gone. Here they are again.

    1) Santos
    2) Surer
     
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    sick....
    if you knew anyone who got killed in a racing accident, you wouldn't be posting these pictures
     
  15. #15 kosatoh, Jul 8, 2003
    Last edited by a moderator: Apr 25, 2016
    Re: FATAL RALLY CAR

    I posted
    http://speed.supercars.net/Board?viewThread=y&fID=8&tID=62539

    repeat posting,


    I want to say that it is hard to avoid the accident to race.

    1, In Portugal Rally accident, don't forget that all works team
    (not only Ford, but also Audi Peugeot and Lancia) stop their race.
    Because Portugal Rally comittee couldn't control spectators.
    If the cause of the accidentis mainly in Ford and driver, probably,
    they continued the race. Next Tour de Corce, after Lancia's accident,
    Peugeot continued the race,and won.
    Santos&Ford RS200 cause accident.But I think that the reason
    to which the accident became serious is not Ford and Santos's responsibility.
    I have seen the video of this accident.Too much many spectators were full of the way.
    Motion of the car was not so much different other crash scene of 205T16,DeltaS4,Audi.

    Bad luck,or if the RS200 was drove by KANKUNEN or TOIVONEN,possibly the accident did not happen...
     
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    shut up.

    They always show fatal car crashes on TV..
    doesnt mean they are sick
     
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    so you're saying if you were fataly injured in a car crash or whatever you wouldn't care about it being spread across the world and other people making money from it? i know i would..
     
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    why are you such a #$%#n bleeding heart man. Oh... i would know... BS
     
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    depends, if it were for a good cause then i wouldn't care, and it if were for this of course i wouldn't care! since the guy who posted the pic isn't making anything from it, it's jsut the same as talking about it. using a photo as well as text to communicate his topic
     
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    Just because two car drivers that didnt know how to drive happened to crash 2 times does not mean this car cannot handle rally. There are cars that happen to crash all the time in rally.
     
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    The car was actually pretty good as I read articles about it, only really unreliable when it comes to the engine hanging in it. Blomqvist drove constantly one 1st 2nd and 3rd positions, but at the end of the (85? 86?) season he had no points at all, simply because he couldn't finish the races due to engine problems.

    Oh and about the pictures, it's a bit hard to tell if they wanted them to be seen after death yes or no. I don't think they had a little piece of paper in their pockets which said "please put my picture on supercars.net". There's not really a bad point in showing these pictures I think, they look quite innocent compared to rotten.com for example. It's all about the car and its history, and the pics are a piece of that.
     
  22. Didn't know how to drive???!???

    FYI - Group-B rally drivers are quite possibly the best drivers to EVER walk the face of the earth! The drivers of this car had more skill in their right testicle then you will ever attain in your life!

    I now give props to this car, it was a damn good rally car, right up there with the likes of the Lancia Delta, Audi S1, and Peugeot 205, BUT, this car was impossibly difficult to control, this car was well suited for rally, however rally was NOT suited for it, there comes a point in performance, where a line has to be drawn, where cars become too much for drivers to control. That is the very reason for the downfall of Group-B. This car crossed the line between high performance, and too dangerous.

    The no. 1 car for crashes in Group-A rallying today: Ford Focus.
     
  23. In defence of the RS200, and in answer to some of the somewhat bizarre comments made on this site:

    1. "Unlucky-fatal"
    As everyone knows, motorsport is dangerous, sometimes fatal, and in recent years we have lost some well known co-drivers and drivers. Thankfully there have been fewer rally accidents since the demise of Group B, but perhaps this has more to do with better crowd control, stronger cars, better roadholding etc than it has to do with any particular car being "unlucky".
    If you look at the coverage of Portugal 1986, the whole event was an accident waiting to happen - walls of spectators, cars being driven at 100mph. (See Tony Pond's comments to get a feel for the drivers' point of view.)
    Santos just happened to be the unlucky one - any suggestion that it was the car that was at fault, or that Santos "didn't know how to drive" is not only nonsense, but also insulting.

    2. "Hard to control"
    I have never read any comments by drivers about the RS200 being a hard car to control, but I have been lucky enough to experience a "road plus" version around the test track at Boreham - 100mph cornering in a 4 wheel drift, 150mph top speed and not a hint of instability. Talk to any of the guys who were at Boreham and they loved it.
    In addition, I suspect that Jackie Stewart, Mark Lovell, and Stig Blomqvist (amongst others) might have been offended to hear that the car they helped develop was such a pile of trash according to some.

    3. "Unreliable"
    The idea that this car was so unreliable it needed a helicopter to keep it on the road is rubbish. Helicopters were permitted - works versions were therefore designed to allow the maximum possible performance, knowing that service was readily available. Part of the way to win in professional motorsport is to push the design of the cars to the absolute limit. Sure, they could have made them bombproof, but performance would have been affected.
    (If you want to look at a REALLY unreliable rally car, consider the V6 MG Metro 6R4...now that WAS a problem)

    4. Price and availability
    Again, I'm not aware of any major discounting by Ford in selling off the road cars - approximately £50,000 was the asking price, and although some were undoubtedly cannibalised for spares, the build quality and performance I am sure would attract sufficient buyers. I have seen ones advertised recently for around the 50k mark, so perhaps the time when this was a good investment has been and gone. There was discount available on the previously mentioned 6R4, at one point you could buy 2 for £10,000.
    As for the tale of red ones being available, I have no idea where that one came from - although the Belga sponsored version of Robert Droogmans (in red and white) was pretty stunning to look at.
     

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