Finally the Ford Lightning is second!

Discussion in '1966 Dodge D/Dart Super Stock' started by 4agze, Aug 9, 2002.

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    Well, i if i want a to go 0-60 in 5 seconds i'll get a sports car. But tihs is pretty sweet and obviously this model will kill a lightning with 500 HP vs what...384 (check me on that). The SVT has a 0-60 time of about 6.2 or 6.1. Also someone mentioned that SVT may supercharge their engine, but this Dodge is naturally aspired, i saw nothing about super or turbo chargers, so if it is released and SVT supercharges can you imagine this thing with a super charger, or God forbid twin turbo. This could get insane.
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from davidgil</i>
    <b>Well, i if i want a to go 0-60 in 5 seconds i'll get a sports car. But tihs is pretty sweet and obviously this model will kill a lightning with 500 HP vs what...384 (check me on that). The SVT has a 0-60 time of about 6.2 or 6.1. Also someone mentioned that SVT may supercharge their engine, but this Dodge is naturally aspired, i saw nothing about super or turbo chargers, so if it is released and SVT supercharges can you imagine this thing with a super charger, or God forbid twin turbo. This could get insane.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    uhhm... I guess the guys at Ford's SVT will hardly ever get their hands on Dodge's naturally aspirated V-10 engine
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    emmissions is also not a problem, people said the same thing when the viper first came out about its v10. Chrysler made sure that emmissions would be legal, dont worry.
    Now it wont be an ultra low emissions vehicle by any standards, but then who thought that it would be<!-- Signature -->
     
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    I go and get 02 ram, then they come out with this, I can't win. This truck is so bad ass. I will gladly trade in my truck for this. I love Ford just as much as the next guy, but I don't think Ford will have a answer to this truck. My dad works for Daimler/Chrysler and he was informed that the building that hand built the viper engine closed. I think they will start mass prouduceing the engine to bring down cost for this truck and viper. I am not sure but wierder stuff has happen. As for emissions tests why the wouldn't it pass, the vipers does?????? think before we open are mouthes. Yes this truck will also be out in this year around fall time like it said in the paragraph under the pictures.
     
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    "uhm ok so you think the Viper is expensive?
    uhm think of any car that can match its performance for that price or less? uhm, no idea? well, then lets say, find a car that matches its performance for... less than $100,000 ? hardly."

    -ivanhoe

    Well you asked for it, so ill say it. The z06 is probably one of the best preformance deals out there

    1996 Viper GTS (66 grand)
    Top Speed 185.0 mph 0 - 60 mph 4.4 seconds
    0 - Πmile 12.7 seconds
    Lateral Acceleration .97g EPA City/Hwy 13 / 24 mpg
    (i know its a 96, but it had the most comprehensive stats)

    2002 Corvette z06 (50 grand)
    Top Speed 171.0 mph 0 - 60 mph 3.9 seconds
    0 - Πmile 12.4 seconds
    Lateral Acceleration .98g EPA City/Hwy 19 / 28 mpg

    Umm... i guess being cheaper and beating it in 4 out of the 5 major performance categories (ok, 3 out of 4 if you dont count gas) should give you the answer to your first question... and for the second one? BUY TWO!!!

    Ill admit the viper looks cooler, and I might even prefer one (especially the new one) but the z06 is definately a car that can match its performance, for less money.

    (all the stats not listed on supercars.net I took from the offcial chevy press release)
     
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    Yeah this truck is sweet.. but Chey still has to come up with a good sports truck.. but by the way they are creating their peice of crap concept i dunno.. it might come out something lik the ugly avalanche... i still like the lightning better i dunno it just looks more normal
     
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    Thats great man, but come on lets be realistic, it has a viper engine, who is going to be able to afford it. great concept, but thats all it is, a concept. for the price you can buy this car for, you can buy a lightning and soupe it to all hell, and it wiil blow the doors off this dodge. <!-- Signature -->
     
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    i am sorry did i hear u swear after i insulted ur comment's on the dodge now u target another vehicle why don't u take ur sorry litle ass and judge those little hondas
     
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    This ram is the best and the Fastest of all trucks ever built, it will be hard to top this.. Chevy has something. the Silverado SS.. but it wont be running with this ram.. this thing tops off everthing, this ram is officialy the champion.. and i dont think it will ever be beaten.. and if chevy or ford has a concept truck that is faster.. u can bet dodge will put a faster one out there before anyone else..
     
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    Geez... do you people do any looking around research etc. before you post? Gearjammer and the other guuy i think Wangfo or something are actually making some sense... know why... cuz they were there and they have stats and shit not just hearsay and conjecture. OK bottom line is you wont be seeing these trucks in the ditch witha .92g on the skidpad. secondly dodge said already in the plethora of announcements that this truck will be competatively priced to do battle with the lightning so stop saying its gonna be too much. Another thing yes its a concept but so was the viper and dodge has publicly announced production of this truck... YES this mother fukin truck IS going to be produced as is GEEEZ!<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Dumbass, the Ford lightning is never gonna be a second, cause its the only truck that can get up to 144.7 without any additions on it.
    next time I see you write something like that about Ford, I'll hunt you down and castrate you.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    you are learning my friend<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. #38 ebabbitt69, Aug 9, 2002
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    This ram is the best and the Fastest of all trucks ever built, it will be hard to top this..

    Have you ever seen the Lingenfelter Twin turbo Sonoma? This truck has a 427 twin turbo and makes 750 horsepower. Its also all-wheel drive, this ram makes 500 horsepower. Do the math on it, the lingenfelter twin turbo sonoma is the fastest truck ever built. And if you dont believe heres the link to the site where its at... http://www.sportmachines.com/history/twinsonoma.html

    And as far as this new ram being faster than then lightning, the lightning has got a supercharged 275.2 cubic inch engine as opposed to a 500+ cubic inch viper v-10. Thats a horsepower difference of 120 horsepower. I cant wait to see what ford does to the lightning to compete with this truck.
     
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    I work for dodge, in the service department. This truck has been creating quite a buzz around the place. Ford, redesigned the lightning not to long ago i believe 98 or 99, and made only 375 hp. Which is not bad, but this truckwill destroy the ford. The reason that ford will not come out with a competitive truck anytime soon, is because ford has no large displacement engine to base it on. Even the new gt40 concept had a SC on a small motor. That design leaves little room for improvement. A large displacement NA motor is easier to modify and automatically makes more power. Ford is going to have to come up with an entirely new motor to compete with the large displacement of the SRT. As for chevy, the concept version of the Silverado SS is claiming something to the tune of a 6+ litre NA LS1 based v8 pumping 475 hp, that will not beat this truck unless serious weight and gearing calculations are made. Dodge has clearly won this battle, especially with the 35-40,000 dollar suspected price tag it is the clear winner. As for off the line traction, it is suspected to be wearing 345 45 r24 zrated rubber on the back, that asl well as the wind tunnel designed tonneau cover and truck body itself should produce enough traction to pretty handily combat the massive torque.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Thanks BigWilliam i love it when people with actual information on the vehicle post something makes the rest of the idiotic punches thrown seem just as they are. Oh i forgot who it was but you cannot compare a modified Lingenfelter truck to a stock production truck my friend that would be like saying that a mclaren f1 sucked because the ferrari f1 car can hold more g's or because the fastest mod'ed twin turbo supra is capable of 275mph geez kid compare things that are at least similar!<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Just by the economies of scale, how are they going to get this anywhere near 35-40K? Ford can sell the Lightning for a relatively low price because they simply soup up the stock truck. SC and tune the motor, a bit of suspension work on the live axle, beefen it up here and there, etc... How is Dodge going to keep this truck competitively priced with that extremely expensive V-10 and Viper suspension pieces? (Somebody said it would use at least similar to Viper suspension pieces, so I'm goin off that.) And if they can do it at that price, why is the Viper so freaking expensive (especially now that they have gotten rid of that hideously expensive clamshell body)? And I'd still like to know how you get this thing to hook up effectively. Vipers have a hard enough time doing it, and they have vastly more well suited suspension geometires and wieght distribution.
    I really like the truck and hope they make it, but I don't see it as being in the same price range as the Lightning. Maybe $60K at best, unless I am missing something here...<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Anyway if it does run a high 12 i see lightnings at the track with only like 4 grand worth of mods on it runnin high 11's at the track we had one here with F1's run a 11.9 one night with some mods so this thing is nice but if i was to buy one for the price it is goin to be i would buy a viper because i bet there won't be much in price difference.
     
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    The truck does have a solid axel, and i have no idea what they did to the suspension but i imagine that you are right it is probably going to be quite hard. The tire size according to Diamler Chrysler's website is 305 35 ZR24. About the viper, speculations for the new one is that it is going to be marginally more expensive. And yes they are making one hell of a profit on them, but less of a profit that lambo or ferrarri makes per unit. <!-- Signature -->
     
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    I hate it when people say "Ford couldn't beat this truck" or "Chevy couldnt beat this truck", bla bla bla. Guys, these are billion dollar companies. If they desired to, they could all continuously one-up each other. Why don't they? Because it's a waste of time and money. The automobile industry is very complex. Just because say, a Camry is the best selling midsize car in the nation, doesn't mean Chevy, Ford, Dodge and Honda are all going to re-design midsize cars in hopes to squash Toyota. Same applies here, Ford has the lightning. Dodge waited a while to come out with this, because it's not #1 to be at the top of the "Performance Truck" list. Why? Because only about 5 people in the U.S. are stupid enough to waste their money on a Lightning. It's obviously not Ford's most profitable model. This truck certainly won't be Dodge's. So please guys, just shut up with the bickering about which car company can beat another car company. They all have the resources to beat each other, and jump on another company when they release something... but why would they?
     
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    I agree that this truck will never meet emissions with a 10 cylinder. But at least it doesn't look like an SUV with the top end of its back seat cut off like the new Fords.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>Just by the economies of scale, how are they going to get this anywhere near 35-40K? Ford can sell the Lightning for a relatively low price because they simply soup up the stock truck. SC and tune the motor, a bit of suspension work on the live axle, beefen it up here and there, etc... How is Dodge going to keep this truck competitively priced with that extremely expensive V-10 and Viper suspension pieces? (Somebody said it would use at least similar to Viper suspension pieces, so I'm goin off that.) And if they can do it at that price, why is the Viper so freaking expensive (especially now that they have gotten rid of that hideously expensive clamshell body)? And I'd still like to know how you get this thing to hook up effectively. Vipers have a hard enough time doing it, and they have vastly more well suited suspension geometires and wieght distribution.
    I really like the truck and hope they make it, but I don't see it as being in the same price range as the Lightning. Maybe $60K at best, unless I am missing something here...</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    uhm ok so you think the Viper is expensive?
    uhm think of any car that can match its performance for that price or less? uhm, no idea? well, then lets say, find a car that matches its performance for... less than $100,000 ? hardly.<4WD</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    OK, the Z06was mentioned, TVR, Caterham, AC, Mitsu Ralliart, Nissan Nismo, etc etc etc... For Americans the Cobra R and Panoz AIV also match and sometimes beat many of the Viper's aspects. So there isn't much in America, but plenty out there in the rest of the world...
    If Dodge is making the Vuper much less expensive to produce (mass-producing engines, much cheaprer body, etc...) and is actually raising the price, then they're gonna be making such a killing..<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Anyway you don't know when one of these ram's if they get as much horsese as the claim run up on a ligthing with some mods and I have seen them run 11's so I would like to see the person who is dumb enough to strap on a SC on the ram and avoid the warranty and for all the people think the engine can't get more horses you are wrong all the have to do is change the rods and two small things because there is a guy out of virgina that did that and is producing over 650 horses out of his lightning so I am pretty sure ford can make the lightning wax this truck if they produce and besides the blower on the lightning can hold up to 15psi it is running at 8psi right now change the pulleys out and chip it up and it runs 12's
     
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    well when dodge came out with the R/T they claimed it could run door to door with a Z28 well we no that was a lie so i wouldn't be suprised that this truck doesn't make it in the 12's in the quater right off the showroom floor and in one of the viper magazines i have has a guy with a ram with a viper engine in it and it run's mid 13's the 2001 lightnings they have ran them at 13.2's bone stock with some tire pressure down in the rear so I guess we will see but that SS silverado suposely was to beat the lightning and ended up runnin mid 14's and they claim it would run mid 13's so............
     
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    WAKE UP~! Dodge needs a version of this truck out on the market reguardless of wether you are a Mopar, Chevy, or Ford fan. The lightning has had the spotlight for way too long now. yeah, they do own the streets when it comes to trucks, but they are a little too hyped up. Chevy needs the Silverado SS out NOW. and likewise, Dodge needs this behimuth out too. my only gripe is that Dodge has this thing with making their trucks look like big rigs. It had to have been a pain in the ass to make this truck sit down low enough because of its huge stature. Ford does the same thing with making their trucks look like freightliners. Personally, i like the sleek curvs and unmistakable grill of a chev, but thats me. if it is American, i'll respect it. Just put 3 trucks out there that are comparible in price and performace. then see who smokes their tires to the top of the heap. <!-- Signature -->
     
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    does anyone else remember the GMC Syclone or Typhoon? the syclone could, on a good day rip a ferrari 348tb in the quarter mile (just...)
    i just dont hear anything about it any more... sad huh.
     

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