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And for that matter, why not just say that a Lamborghini is really a tractor deep down since that's what Lamborghini made before cars?

 

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<b>If the Mclaren had a Honda engine in it, it would not be as popular as it is today. Who the #$%# would want a Honda engine? Just like who the #$%# would want a VW engine?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
Wow, u really r dense arent you? How can u really be this adament about this Bugatti sucking sh*t? Have you driven one? Can you tell me from personal experience over a long-term ownership of this vehicle that the engine is crap and it doesnt perform as well as lets say a Ferrari or McLaren? If not I would have to say to take a second to widen your narrow minded views on what is quite possibly one of the best cars ever to be built and one of the most powerful engines ever produced for a street vehicle. So its a VW, VW is a very good car manufacturer. Just because Jaguar is owned by Ford, do I rag on them, no because they are beautiful cars. Peace bro and lighten up, this thing IS a Bugatti.

 

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I would buy one if i had the money, i would love to take it to the races and kick the sh*t out of Mclarens. Even though the Mclarens payed about 450k more and got less speed. I would love to see the looks on their faces as you just walk away with the victory.<!-- Signature -->

 

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<b>If the Mclaren had a Honda engine in it, it would not be as popular as it is today. Who the #$%# would want a Honda engine? Just like who the #$%# would want a VW engine?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

I disagree. If Honda would have built the McLaren engine and it performed as well as the BMW engine, it would still be as popular as it is today. I say this because when the McLaren came out, no other unmodified production car could match its acceleration and top speed. Besides if it would have performed that well with a Honda engine, all the little boys out there that watch the Fast and the Furious too much would have been praising Honda as God.

 

vee-dubs aren't bad

ok, i'm new around here, but i just thought i'd throw in the fact that the bugatti w16 is not even close to the current vw W-engines. as i think was pointed-out before; bugatti, although owned by vw, has it's own engineers. also, vw builds good cars. just because the original bugatti bros. are no more, doesn't mean that bugatti's cars will automatically suffer. they are still a combonation of engineering and art that's singular among it's kind. so, yea, if i had the money, i'd buy one, and show it off to anyone who will look!

 

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<b>ok, i'm new around here, but i just thought i'd throw in the fact that the bugatti w16 is not even close to the current vw W-engines. as i think was pointed-out before; bugatti, although owned by vw, has it's own engineers. also, vw builds good cars. just because the original bugatti bros. are no more, doesn't mean that bugatti's cars will automatically suffer. they are still a combonation of engineering and art that's singular among it's kind. so, yea, if i had the money, i'd buy one, and show it off to anyone who will look!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

Good point except that this engine is VERY close to the current VW W-engines. The only major architectural difference in the block is the included angle between the VR-type cylinder "banks".

 

perry/thrust



Good point except that this engine is VERY close to the current VW W-engines. The only major architectural difference in the block is the included angle between the VR-type cylinder "banks".</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
i remmber reading in "car and driver", or maybe it was "motor trends", that the two were sepratly engineered, and un-related. granted i'm not a big tech-head (yet), but the difference between the angles is a pretty big difference, effecting everything from torque to reliability (viva la difference). plus, i would think that they are cast in different alloys, bugatti having a larger budget for such things, and thermal dynamics make a difference for sure. not to mention the number of cylinders (which is really beside the point, nevermind). although this article was before the vee-dub w-engine came out, so they may have made some alterations afterward.

 

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i remmber reading in "car and driver", or maybe it was "motor trends", that the two were sepratly engineered, and un-related. granted i'm not a big tech-head (yet), but the difference between the angles is a pretty big difference, effecting everything from torque to reliability (viva la difference). plus, i would think that they are cast in different alloys, bugatti having a larger budget for such things, and thermal dynamics make a difference for sure. not to mention the number of cylinders (which is really beside the point, nevermind). although this article was before the vee-dub w-engine came out, so they may have made some alterations afterward.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

I'll give you that changing the angle affects a lot of the engine's characteristics, but saying this engine isn't even close to the VW W-engines may be misinforming some people. VW did play a large part in the engineering, even though Bugatti still has their own engineers. The minor angle between the cylinders in each of the VR banks is 15 degrees. Which is exactly what the minor angle is on VW's W-12 and W-8. This angle is also the same as the angle between the cylinders on the VW VR6. As I understood it (from magazines and websites like www.vwvortex.com), the decision to have a different angle was mostly due to the fact that Bugatti wanted the engine to have a lower center of mass and the rest of the engine design was essentially unchanged. Note that the balance shafts and cooling passages would have to be changed as well, but it would have been a little different from the VW engines anyway just because you are adding four more cylinders.

If the Bugatti engine is cast in a different alloy, it's not just their budget that allows it. Remember, Bugatti has only been resurrected due to the financial might of Volkswagen.

On another note.... boy I love intelligent conversations. The cuss-fests in some of those other forums is pretty bad and they don't lend themselves to good conversations like this one.

 

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yes, its not a VW engine its a engine made for bugatti not some stock engine they pulled out of storage<!-- Signature -->

 

misinterpretation, a game of false repatition


If the Bugatti engine is cast in a different alloy, it's not just their budget that allows it. Remember, Bugatti has only been resurrected due to the financial might of Volkswagen.

On another note.... boy I love intelligent conversations. The cuss-fests in some of those other forums is pretty bad and they don't lend themselves to good conversations like this one.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
it is possible (in fact probable) that i misread, or misremembered what i read. it was, after all, over a year ago that i read it. besides, how different can 2 engines, based on the same concept, and produced by the same company, be? as far as the latter coment. yea, there's alot of dolts running around starting shite because they have nothing better to do, it's to bad really.
about your graffic: do you own a vw?

 

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if someone ever spent $800 000+ on this car (with the exeption of the Royal Brunie Family) they should be shot in the face.. who in the hell would actually use this car to its full potential?? where on earth are you goin to go speeding down the road @ 250+mph!! at that speed it would take all 10 and a half seconds to run the gas tank down to empty.. i bet you could physically see the gas gauge moving down. with $800 000. i would rather retire early and live lavishly for the rest of my life.... i would get more enjoyment out of that than i would in this car...wouldn't you agree?


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why don't you shut the hell up! jsut becuase the car is going really fast doesn't mean the whole damn fuel tank will go empty! the fuel does run out quicker but take a look at the distance you have covered! and by the way lots of people would probably try to go that fast, have you ever heard of the autobahn! well if you can afford this car you can very well afford a ticket to germany, people on the autobahn there drive like crazy! and many cars there go over 170+ mph! oh yeah and another thing whoever said that the sledgehammer needed like 80 turbo's and this one has none! well then you need to do some research and shut the hell up! first of all this car uses more turbo's (4) then the sledgehammer (2) and plus this car isn't modfied and goes almost as fast! how much modifying do you need to do to this car to get it over 254 mph! like nothing! pretty soon this car will reign! and blow that stupid sledgehammer's record which i've been so long waiting for those american muscle lover guys to shutup about! however i'm not saying that the sledgehammer sucks i think it's pretty cool i'm just glad there's gonna be a new car that will breakt her record! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">

 

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thank u
autobahn is a roas where u can try this beast to it's maximum potential, and by the way there r lots of european highways in germany, austria and others countries where u can easily do that speed
with that acceleration i think it could be done in lebanon too

 

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oh yeah one other thing i still don't know what all u american guys r so happy with the sledgehammer record i guess when the car eached that speed it was gonna shatter just wait 4 years for the factory tuned veyron to come out another new record on the way

 

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the engine is only half the car. and Volkswagnes are great cars. sure, they have the cheap and small image to them, but they can make excellent cars and excellent engines. it's still a bugatti, and If I had the coin, I would buy it. in fact, I would buy it, knowing it has a high quality VW engine in it, even though it has 1001 BHP, and 16 cylinders! also, the 16 cylinder thing is bugatti's doing. it's only BASED on the VW design. I think.

now then, if you had the money and someone offered to sell this car to you, then would you take it? if you said no, then YOU are too stupid to have any money at all.

 

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You are an idiot. Of course if the car had 250 hp and didnt go fast people wouldnt like it. Same with every other car you moron. If the McLaren F1 had 250 hp and was slow it would suck too and no one would like it. Damn, you might just be one of those people who enjoy making people mad, but im sure there are some idiots who agree with you because you made them stupid.

 

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actually, Porsche and VW are just business partners. they're connected, but VW doesn't actually OWN P.

 

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Are you referring to me? I think 1001 HP kicks Ass! a little much, but still, You're right. I wouldn't care if it had 250 HP. although it is really beautiful...

 

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I think the question should be: if you owed this car, who would ever even use 1/2 this cars top speed let alone go the full 400+km/h? I doubt there is a single person who would ever be able to go anywhere near this fast (unless you had a seasons pass to Nardo)!

 

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Do you guys see a single VW badge on this work of art? This is a Bugatti, and I know I would pay any money for a Bugatti (if I had the money), even if it is owned by VW