Separate names with a comma.
Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Future CEO, Dec 28, 2006.
Actually, he's a first-rate biologist. He's just also a third-rate theologian.
Well if it wasn't literal, then Jesus wasn't the son of God, and all Christians are laughable fools.
Yes but what about the lack of evidence in regards to him existing, the earliest NT books being oblivious to his life and his story being almost identical to various pagan deities.
So a bunch of early Christians chose to be viciously tortured and killed by the Romans over some guy who they knew was made up? Yeah, that sounds like a hell of a good scheme.
And a bunch of people allow themselves to be killed by crazy rules made up by an insane science fiction writter, cult members commit mass suicide, jehovahs witnesses let their kids die by refusing medical treatment even though the entire religion can easily be disproven. People being willing to give their lives for a mythological figure a few thousand years ago is not far fetched at all.
Love the last line of your sig/av.
I've yet to hear about anyone dying for Scientology, committing suicide is not at all the same thing as preferring torture/death to renouncing your faith, and jehova's witnesses are nuts.
Anyway, I'm not talking a few thousand years later. I'm talking within a few decades, which is exactly what happened to early Christians in Rome. These people were devout Jews before Jesus, and Christianity barely had any foothold in the world yet. I find it hard to believe that they would die for someone who didn't exist. Whether or not he was who he claimed he was is a different story.
I want to marry blitzschnell
Jesus existed. It's simply a mattter of whether or not he was the Son of God. There ARE secular and Jewish documents noting his existence.
What makes you think early christians believed jesus was recently on earth? Paul didn't seem to mention it. I just told you two relatively new religions where followers were ready to give up their lives within a few decades of it being around, claiming its just because they are all "crazy" is astoundingly ignorant, early christians were undoubtedly considered a crazy cultists.
Care to list some then?
Can you list some?
Earlier I was half tempted to say something against all the anti-religion critics (I am an atheist, but the world being better without religion is just stupid). However, now I am pissed at these bible-belt, sister-screwing, so-called-religious rednecks. I went to go purchase some good ole vintage porn earlier and have it shipped to my apartment. Unfortunately, I can not have porn shipped here because these hill billies have some law against it.
Maybe I am just assuming, but I can only imagine that religion was the major persuading factor in whoever made these laws. Its not just this one case either. No alcohol after midnight, no alcohol sales on Sunday, only Walmart and Lowes are open on Sunday in this town, etc. etc. In Memphis, none of this bullshit goes on. Whats the big difference between Memphis and shitty Starkville, Mississippi? Religion. These f!cking people in this town abuse religion as their escape to be lazy and push their opinions on others. Its not like they are deeply religious either.
I am typically reserved on religious views, but I am just flat out pissed off right now. And yes, I know I am preaching to the choire with alot of you.
Guns. Lots of guns.
And big trucks. And muscle cars.
There are many threads that have been posted here that will bear out that just because someone has tenure doesn't mean that they are right, or even intelligent.
Basically, it rains guns here.
I need to find that video of those people in texas that have shooting days with the big army surplus guns.
why did you embark on such a silly argument?
if you're going to undermine the foundation of a major religion like christianity to question why it should even exist, you're not gonna do a whole lot of good by throwing around the doubt that Jesus was even real.
you seem to be forgetting that most of christianity =/= your former Jehovah's Witnesses "friends".
No religion and an end to war: how thinkers see the future
A really interesting story. Mainly because it's so Utopian.
it's nice when scientists DONT put themselves at odds with religion... something that is seemingly less frequent than it ought to be, but luckily many of the more prominent ones kept/keep their minds open to it (especially since anyone w/ a brain should realize they shouldnt need to conflict at all).
What evidence is there Jesus existed? The fact that the religion is successful isn't really evidence as theres plenty of other religions that have been successful despite being based on stuff that never happend. I wasn't implying that the majority of christians today act like a cult, just that it wasn't unheard of for a very new religion to convince its followers they needed to give up their lives for their faith. I don't see how its a silly argument since no ones bothered to rebut my questions about the parallels between the story of jesus and some pagan deities or the reason why paul was seemingly oblivious to Jesus work on earth.
to give you just a few:
cornelius taticus, a roman historian, alludes to Jesus as Christus, the founder of christianity who was sentenced to death by Pilate.
lucius of samosata mentions jesus a few times as the man who was crucified in palestine and introduced a new cult into the world
flaveous josephus,seutonius, plinius secundus, tertullian, thallus, phlegon, justin martyr, and many more also make similar mentions of him. Most of these men were Roman or jewish historians.