General Motors CANNOT build decent engines

Discussion in '2002 Cadillac Cien Concept' started by dragunov, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. thats strange ..

    my smallblock 350 is probably older than you and runs like
    it was build yesterday ..

    but sure .. i guess GM cant build engines .. or isnt reliable ..

     
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    i dont like there engines , the only reason they been doing good till now , is because they're afordable , newayz dat's my opinion<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Personally I like the Dodge Durango over every SUV GM ever built... maybe cuz they almost all look the same...<!-- Signature -->
     
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    if your ass was born in the 50's you wouldin't be saying that.


    you would would shit your pants if got behind the wheel of a ss427.
     
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    <b>if your ass was born in the 50's you wouldin't be saying that.


    you would would shit your pants if got behind the wheel of a ss427.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    True dat<!-- Signature -->
     
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    You know, I believe STS & LMP is the only one here who knows shit about engines. In case nobody's noticed everyone started agreeing with the person who started this forum, then when STS & LMP came in to the picture, everyone started agreeing with him just because he sounded smart. You know, people should actually think before they start running their mouths.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    well alot of GM motors arent that great, only when compared to the competition. but they do have some good ones, and this obviously is one of them. Aparently its only marginally longer in the block than a BMW V12 which is already a very compact powerplant. GM does have some shocker engines, fortunatley for holden australia they do put some good ones in - although there are endless stories about warranty claims bits falling off new models...<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Hehehe.
    I think GM pumps out some pretty good engines that don't require high maintenance. I mean looks @ all those other better engines you mentioned. They all need premium fuel. Pretty much all GM engines run smoothely on regular 87 Octane gas..well exceptions on Corvette and Escalade I think =P

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    Hello again this is STS & LMP i forgot my goddamn password so i made a new account.

    I think we have a little too much quarreling over peoples opinions, however vociferous they may be. the bottom line is that gm has been making great engines for many many years. i own several GM cars and have had nothing but good times with them all. the fact is that this is hands down the most impressive engine ever built, and correct me if im wrong but i also think this is the first engine that can change the number of cylinders its using at any given time. while many of you have very valid opinions here, some of you are making broad blanket statements purely to satisfy your own angst for what you do not understand. i myself was young and naive once and had nothing but malicious things to say about asian cars, but now that i have a better understanding of all automobiles, and have logged countless hours under the hood of many different types of cars , i have learned a general respect for them all. but back to the question. GM makes wonderful engines and this new northstar v12 will be just the icing on the cake.<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. GM cannot build engines for anything but farming equipment oh or planes.Their engines are far too big, far too heavy and far too industrialised.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>GM cannot build engines for anything but farming equipment oh or planes(oh no they're build quality equals that of a doll made in tiawan).Their engines are far too big, far too heavy and far too industrialised. They drink more drink than the irish population and their reliability is poorer than a homless person.come on GM get your act together take a leaf out of TVR, Ferrari, Aston Martin on building performance cars or just leave the ball in their court!!!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Right....the XV-12 is supposed to be smaller in dimersion than most of the V8 out there, with specific output of 100bhp/l for those Honda freak out there(ie, high specific output=high tech...right...).<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Ummm..Gster..you dunno wtf you talking bout.

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    wow yet again we have another little boy with an internet connection spouting off about what he dosent know. GM makes very reliable engines, and very powerful engines at that. just because you drive a 1983 ford escort, dosent mean you know anything about GM engines or even have the right to bash them. go back to trying to impress your friends with your "knowledge" and get a real automobile. then we'll talk.

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    lol..nice post =)

    GM makes some of the most powerful engines in the world.
    Ever heard of the team MacPherson Baja racer truck?
    Well it's a modified Chevy, and it continues to whoop ass =)

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    <b>Hello again this is STS & LMP... and correct me if im wrong but i also think this is the first engine that can change the number of cylinders its using at any given time...</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Actually, Cadillac did have a V8 (it was in the late-80's if I remember correctly) that could "shut-off" 2 or 4 cylinders to get better fuel economy... but it was scrapped after a couple of years. I can't say I remember why. Also, as far as GM performance goes, there was this one engine... the 454 LS-6... that was an option in the 1970 Chevelle SS 454. That was one hell of a motor even if it wasn't high-tech. I used to know this guy that had one and he decided to dyno the engine (it was the original engine, he pulled it so he could work on the torque converter) and it was producing something like 575 horsepower and over 600 lb. ft. of torque. That was a fun car to ride in.
     
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    I know for sure that the person who's saying this Topic, must be a kid at the age of 6 or a DUDE who thinks he's the best to impress his friends with a Honda CRX with a 1.6 engine with 90HP.

    Think further and look forward, take a average American car and his engine is at least a 4.0 engine with 350HP.

    So backup with your freakin'brain who's daring to say that a American engine isn't good.

    Take a sample of the engines from Cadillac, with the Northstar Technologie, those are one of the finest and most powerfull engines of the world.

    So play further with your Dinky Toy and stay out where only grow-up people may come and talk over American Cars.

    A BIG Ami-Lover has spoken...

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    Ya know, Cadillac is almost the only division of GM I can respect. This car, I can respect. Very good idea with the variable cylinder count. There are a lot of bad GM engines out there. This one is a good one though.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    i am not saying american engines suck, but after the first 5 years they start becoming unreliable, my father had a 1970 for mustang mach 1 with a 428 (i think, im not the greatest with muscle cars so corrrect me if im wrong) and it was absolutely the biggest peice we ever had, it leaked like crazy, it guzzled gas like you wouldnt imagine, and there was all that power going to waste, then again there isnt a "perfect" engine made yet. but i have to respect this car it is a caddy, and they are great cars, but this was being made as a chevy it might not be as great because there is alot more time put into caddilacs then regular gm's. but im liking this car quite a bit i mean 750bhp, wow, the option to have either a 7.5litre v-12 or a 3.75L (i guess) inline 6 is just great, i am a big fan of inline engine's so i was shocked to see that this car could be switched to an inline 6 mode, gj gm i hope you make this car.
     
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    Hmmmmmmm...nah..reason they doing so well is cuz they totally dominate the world industry almost =P
    Also they dominate the SUV/Truck industry. Das probably when the cars suxk a lil more the engines need work. But the Ecotec engines are small, not that powerful, but they got good torque and a nice sound to it =)

    As for the NorthStar, it's on another plain of existence =)
    The ShortStar (Olds intrigue), pretty cool engine =)
    the Vortec, hmmmmmmm....very powerful engines not to be triffled with. If you remember, the MacPherson Baja truck kicks the shit outta everyone and it's a Chevy =P
    Ummm..there is also a new Vortech to be use by the new Hummers; a diesel and a gas version.

    So overall, GM builds great vehicles..or atleast integrates technology: Suzukis, Isuzu, Saturn, Toyota (Matrix Project/Corolla), Chevy, GMC, Buick, Caddy, Opel, Vauxhall, Subaru, CAT, Fuji Heavy Industries, Pontiac, HUMMER, Olds...etc.
    Not to mention that Vortec and McLaren performance..yes (McLaren..same guys who make the McLaren Mercedes, and McLaren F1), are going into a partnership I believe =P

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    Somebody please slap Shefx - Saying a '70 Mach 1 with a Cobra Jet was a piece of shit. If it leaked all the time, it's because none of you knew what the hell you were doing. It was a 32 year old car, and if the engine was in that much disrepair, you should be shot for letting that beautiful piece of car history go to waste. Shame on you.

    The most abundant type of engine in the world is the Chevy smallblock. The fastest street-legal car in the world had a Chevy smallblock.
     
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    Hmmmmmm..really?
    What car was that?

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    '55 Chevy at the 1998 NHRA Super Street finals.
     
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    Coolz..
    it's street legal!!?

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    Yes - only the tires weren't, but the same times can be had on DOT-approved M/T ET Streets.
     
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    <b>Hello again this is STS & LMP... and correct me if im wrong but i also think this is the first engine that can change the number of cylinders its using at any given time...</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Actually, Cadillac did have a V8 (it was in the late-80's if I remember correctly) that could "shut-off" 2 or 4 cylinders to get better fuel economy... but it was scrapped after a couple of years. I can't say I remember why. Also, as far as GM performance goes, there was this one engine... the 454 LS-6... that was an option in the 1970 Chevelle SS 454. That was one hell of a motor even if it wasn't high-tech. I used to know this guy that had one and he decided to dyno the engine (it was the original engine, he pulled it so he could work on the torque converter) and it was producing something like 575 horsepower and over 600 lb. ft. of torque. That was a fun car to ride in.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    yes, in fact GM has a truck engine they're gonna start making that shuts off 4 cyl. (V8, btw) to save like 20% fuel efficiency i believe... GM is real innovative, no doubt about it.. and for NORMAL ECOMONY CARS, on top of things, not just these sports car or luxury car companies! i value that more than the rest because it affects us more than the hi-performance cars... at least until we all get to the point to buy our own ;)<!-- Signature -->
     

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