Geography thread

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by IdoL, Sep 21, 2016.

  1. I'm now thinking that Reagan came up with the "evil empire" tag for the USSR after looking at their ships:



  2. The hull is fine. If they're willing to invest as much as the Chinese did refurbishing the Liaoning they'd have an acceptable platform -- if that doesn't cost as much as a new-build carrier anyway. Although that means stripping it down to the bulkheads, and an entirely new propulsion and systems suite.

    Although with both China and India building CATOBAR carriers in the near future, Russia may not be happy with a ski-jump ship. Frankly, the UK not going for the CATOBAR layout of the QEII (ie: the French version) I think was a huge mistake.
  3. Russian stuff always looks interesting
  4. except in C&C Red Alert 2
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  5. oh why didnt i think to mention that
  6. are there any equivalents to american seapower? what do they look like
    i like to see different takes on the same goals
  7. #207 Vanilla Ice, Jan 7, 2017
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    There was honestly very little overlap between Soviet and NATO naval strategy during the Cold War, and so many of these Soviet designs sought out goals that were never emphasized within NATO. Unlike the United States, which had no choice but to project its power by air and sea, the Soviet Union's physical location meant that it could often move troops over land. For instance, during the Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan they just straight up drove 1800 tanks into the country. Other deployments were accomplished by train. This placed the Navy at the lowest point on the totem pole, below the Army, Air Force, and the 'Strategic Missile Forces' (which in the US would be part of the Air Force).

    In particular, if war were to ever break out in Europe, the Soviet force would mobilize over land, whereas the US force would mobilize (largely) by sea. The Navy was, in turn, the jewel of the Cold-War US military, with immense fixed-wing aircraft carriers, amphibious assault capability, and air defense. The foremost goal of the Soviet Navy, therefore, was to interrupt NATO operations in the North Atlantic (excluding the strategic nuclear role, of course). To this end, the Soviet Navy had over 200 submarines in non-strategic land- and sea-attack roles (the US Navy has 50, for comparison). The navies of NATO's European members were focused around combating this submarine force, securing free passage for the US Navy's sealift and power-projection ships. This is why European navies to this day are very frigate heavy: they're an anti-submarine force. Excluding NATO's post-Cold War membership, the Alliance operates 130 frigates today, the majority for anti-submarine warfare. Exactly zero of these are in the US Navy. France and the UK were the only European powers who ever retained real power-projection assets (the Spanish and Italian Harrier-carriers only entered service as the Soviet Union was collapsing), and even then they were never meant to face the Soviets, but for protecting vestiges of their former colonies and use in the Mediterranean. Canada appears to have been on the 'American' side of this coin at the beginning of the Cold War, retaining sealift and operating a fixed-wing aircraft carrier, but was firmly an honorary European navy by 1990.

    The massive surface ships of the Soviet Navy, the ones that look like they could be props for Star Wars, betray this defensive role (with Soviet political leaders considering the Navy little more than a branch of the Red Army). The immense guided-missile cruisers with huge anti-ship missiles were at its centre (re-hashing the bus driver's photos), to tackle the capital ships of the US Navy (along with air-based anti-ship missiles):

    And the aircraft carrier taking on a secondary role, protecting the cruisers from counter-attack by submarines (which is why, for instance, the foredeck is packed with more missiles instead of a second runway):

    I can't think of any other modern navy where the aircraft carrier was considered a secondary ship, let alone tertiary. But in the Soviet Navy, that was exactly where it was, third-string to the submarine force and cruiser force. The Kuznetsov bucked that trend to some degree, but it was only commissioned on Christmas of 1990, a year to the day before the establishment of the Russian Federation.
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  8. Back to geography, has anyone ever heard that statement about how 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border? When heard on online discussion boards, the implication, of course, regard's Canada dependence on its Southern neighbor. The implication is left to sit; it seems to lose its power if its made explicit. Although it does sound oddly convincing at first glance.

    Anywhere, here's an unrelated comparison of Canada's plant growing conditions and its population density.
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  9. quit stealing our fertility
  10. So Saskatchewans prefer the less fertile lands?
  11. Given the projected resources available for the VMF, and the problems they continue to face and have been facing for the past 25 years with maintaining and refurbishing the part of the Soviet fleet RusFed got, I'm not sure it makes much sense to have an aircraft carrier at all, let alone a costly fix for the Kuznetsov-class.

    Exactly. In addition to the attack submarine fleet you mentioned, they had substantial littoral forces equipped with a myriad of fast corvettes, missile boats and transports. Ground elements of the VMF establishing beachheads in Denmark, Germany and Southern Sweden within hours of the beginning of hostilities was part of the Soviet strategy of rushing B. The Zubr & Lun-class and other experiments with hovercraft and ekranoplans are a testament to this.

    If the USSR had to go on defense on certain fronts, it's quite obvious from this map that the only really vulnerable sea routes are trough the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea. Any invasion coming from the Pacific or Arctic ocean would put the invader in inhospitable territory with poor infastructure and thousands of klicks away from any key areas. The Baltic Sea is shallow as a lake because it used to be one, littered with islands (very convenient places to hide ground-based anti-ship missiles and fast attack vessels), and to get there one has to pass trough a couple of narrow straits. Not exactly carrier territory. These days a Nimitz-class would even have to remove some antennas in order to fit under the Öresund bridge.


    You forgot the PVO. Totally unacceptable.


    I said 2 geography things in this post so it fits in the thread. I'll make another thread for geopolitics, military matters & tech because it seems I'm not the only person on the forum interested in them. Is it possible for moderators to move posts to other threads?
  12. So it's true that the Canadian crops literally grow off the leftover freedom radiating from the US side. Let's hope that Trump doesn't build a wall or something.
  13. Without really reading the link, it means you get your first 2GB at 4g speeds, then they throttle the rest of your connection until the following billing cycle... but at unlimited levels!

    ...From a grandfathered Verizon wireless truly unlimited data customer who will hold on to that plan until they rip it from my cold dead hands.
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  14. From the good old fair use policy days haha
  15. Day dreaming has been upgraded to actual plane tickets. New York it is.
  16. Side-by-side/same scale comparison between Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport and the Tel Aviv metropolitan (including central Tel Aviv and parts of Ramat Gan and Givatayim).

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  17. Same thing done with Amsterdam and downtown Detroit (twisted to fit visually). Such wasteful construction.

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  18. I heard that Genghis Khan will make a comeback soon
  19. So Amsterdam is actually bigger than Detroit? How
  20. getting a cities skylines boner
  21. This fits here, sent me down a rabbithole looking up spillways and spillway design and other dam stuff
    Oroville Dam is an earthfill embankment dam on the Feather River east of the city of Oroville, California, in the United States. At 770 feet (230 m) high, it is the tallest dam in the U.S.[7] and serves mainly for water supply, hydroelectricity generation and flood control. The dam impounds Lake Oroville, the second largest man-made lake in the state of California, capable of storing more than 3.5 million acre-feet (4.4 km3),[8] and is located in the Sierra Nevada foothills east of the Sacramento Valley.

    The dam on a good day:
    On the left is the spillway, on the right is the mound of earth that is the dam.

    Storms have threatened to overtop the oroville dam (bad)
    Oroville dam for the first time is using its emergency spillway:

    now almost 200000 people that live in that basin have been ordered to evacuate because the spillway is damaged!

    More than 100,000 people were told to evacuate because of a “hazardous situation” involving the Northern California dam's emergency spillway. At one point, the NWS warned that the auxiliary spillway was expected to fail and could send an “uncontrolled release of flood waters from Lake Oroville.” However, by late Sunday night, officials said the immediate threat had passed because water had stopped washing over the emergency spillway.

    • The mass evacuations cap a week of frantic efforts to prevent flooding as the reservoir behind America’s tallest dam reached capacity and its main spillway was severely damaged.
    • On Saturday, water levels rose so high that an emergency spillway was used for the first time. Officials initially believed the measure worked. But Sunday afternoon, as more water from record storms flowed into Lake Oroville, officials detected a hole in the emergency spillway and eventually ordered the evacuations.
    • By late Sunday, the crisis at the Oroville Dam eased somewhat, as the water level at the reservoir dropped. That halted water flow from a damaged emergency spillway that officials feared could collapse. But officials stressed that the situation is still dangerous and that evacuations should continue.
    • A failure of the emergency spillway could cause huge amounts of water to flow into the Feather River, which runs through downtown Oroville, and other waterways.
    They were using rocks dropped from helicopters to try to shore up the spillway damage

    2 Videos here
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  22. It isn't. That's just downtown Detroit, about 2% of the city's area. Its showed how inefficiently Detroit has been planned, with enormous freeways and large surface parking lots dominating the landscape, with limited mixed use and almost no residential. Its what happens when a city is designed around cars to the exclusion of any other mode of transportation, and zero investment in walkability or public transport.
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  23. damage to the spillway
    i guess opened up by the erosion that comes along with millions of gallons of water rushing downhill

    overflowing emergency spill way. Area with tiretracks was clear cut of trees to prepare for this eventuality

    gif of water flowing down the normal spillway. ramp/barrier things at the bottom keep water pressure lower to prevent the water from digging a huge hole at the bottom, possibly undermining the dam itself
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  24. that's amsterdams downtown as well

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