Hillary Clinton joins 2008 race

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by CitroenSM, Jan 20, 2007.

  1. Obama Bin Baden.
     
  2. Probably.

    The south and probably midwest will not vote for a black or woman president, no matter what their position on the issues is.
     
  3. esp Texas
     
  4. of course, look who they replaced her with <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/sad.gif"></A> <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/sad.gif"></A> <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/sad.gif"></A>
     
  5. LOL.

    If they could vote for a black man, why not vote for a Japanese?
     
  6. what part of this dont ya tards get?
     
  7. Comunista 2008
     
  8. I have a feeling she will win.
     
  9. To call it pandoring to minorities is a non-issue. It's a made up issue that some haters made. Democrats willing to vote for Hilary or Obama are smart enough to vote for something worth voting a president for, not otherwise meaningless things such as that. We've proven this in the past as plenty of blacks, women, and even black women ran for democratic seats and lost, in presidential and lesser elections.
     
  10. I think they're making it too big of an issue, too. I don't know why people insist that it's such a huge deal, even though there are already countless women and minorities in high-level state positions (yes, even in the south and midwest), a woman leading the House, two female SC justices (until O'Connor retired), a black SC justice, a black female Secretary of State, etc. Why is unreasonable to think that a female or a minority could be elected President? For every idiot that wouldn't vote for a woman or a minority, there's at least one idiot who would vote for that person based almost entirely on that criteria.

    edit: My problem with Hillary is that I think she will say and do absolutely anything she needs to say and do in order to get elected. As far as I can tell, she isn't constrained by any actual positions on anything. She'll blow in whatever direction the political winds take her. That scares me. At least with Bush, even if you don't like his ideas or you think he's wrong about absolutely everything, you know where he stands and he's not inclined to significantly change his position based on the current political winds. With him, you know what you're getting, for better or for worse. With Hillary, you have no idea. I think that's the perception that will prevent her from getting the White House.

    With Obama, I think that once people get past him being well-spoken and intelligent, they're going to realize that he really is pretty far off to the left. That's not going to sit well with most people outside of Berkeley.
     
  11. I dunno, America just strikes me as being too traditional to accept something like this at this point. Maybe in a few decades, but the resurgance of fundamentalists and the rise in evangelicals will likely drive a move back to a more traditional America.
     
  12. #112 bucknutz, Jan 22, 2007
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    Frankly, that's because most people who are not from here have an entirely warped perspective on what America is like. There is no "resurgence of fundamentalists" or a "rise in evangelicals." There's a few of them who make a lot of noise, but America as a whole is nothing at all like those idiots. Americans as a whole are significantly less religious now than they were even just ten years ago.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm
     
  13. #113 Hoboman, Jan 22, 2007
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    I think it is more that loosely religious people have completed their separation from churches, while fundamentalists and evangelicals have been getting louder even if they aren't much more numerous.
     
  14. That's the most reasonable theory, yeah. But that just supports what I said about how we're not really a bunch of religious goofballs.
     
  15. You're not all a bunch of religious goofballs. Too bad so many of your politicians are.
     
  16. #116 stewacide, Jan 22, 2007
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    I'm too lazy to go through all those numbers, but it seems to be pretty broadly accepted that the US is getting more religious, or at least a larger more cohesive religious right. The decline of moderate mainline Protestantism and Catholicism is PART of that trend, w/ the true believers switching to much more fundamentalist sects. The old churches may be emptying, but the new evangelical mega-churches and whatnot are exploding.
     
  17. So people in the middle are either dropping religion or going extreme. Great, just what we need :s
     
  18. #118 bucknutz, Jan 22, 2007
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    That's the thing, they're really not either. Even Bush. There was an article in Time about it a few months ago that you should read. Nobody really gives a shit about the evangelicals. I'll see if I can track it down.

    edit: Here it is. I got a kick out of it. Evangelicals suck.
    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1546580,00.html
     
  19. Maybe it's broadly accepted by people who don't care about the actual numbers, but to anybody who even takes a somewhat objective look at it, it should be plainly obvious that the US, along with Western society in general, is becoming less and less religious.

    Just because a bunch of smaller churches are consolidating into mega-churches doesn't mean that evangelism (or religion in general) is growing in the US.
     
  20. BTW, mass truism: the largest minority by far that would never be elected President: atheists. There's no surer game-killer in US politics. EVERYONE in Washington has to keep up the appearance that they're religious. A Muslim would have a MUCH better shot than an atheist.

    THAT'S by far the biggest difference between US voting preferences and those of the other industrialized democracies.
     
  21. Nobody who was moderately religious is going off to the far right. The people on the far right are staying there and the people in the middle are dropping it. That's what I've personally noticed and the numbers all support that conclusion.
     
  22. That's a fair point. Everybody needs to at least pretend that they at least believe in God, even if they're not True Believers. Example: Bill Clinton/John Kerry.
     
  23. Ya and that's BS. You shouldn't have to attend church and pray to Jesus to get into office, but it's been shown time and time again that religious people hate atheists more than anything, and associate them with everything they fear as evil.
     
  24. yeah, i hate atheists more than anything, and associate them with everything they fear as evil. burn in hell, #%[email protected]
     
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