I'm not talking about as far as their economy cars go. I have to admit they make a mean commuter car! However their "performance" cars are laughable compared to the competition save the NSX and S2000, and even the S2000 is overpriced as shit for what you get now. When it came out it was pretty competitive, but no longer. Their Integras and blah blah blah have always been slower, less powerful, and more expensive than the competition. They try to sell shit for WRX/Evo money when the WRX/Evo eats them alive. I'm not terribly into overpaying for a badge, ESPECIALLY when it's overpaying for a car company with a rep for making economy cars not performance cars.