Honda knows theres no replacement for displacement

Discussion in '2000 Mugen SS2200 Concept' started by Spyder757, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Honda knows there is no replacement for displacement, thats why they increased the stroke of this engine, and thus the displacement to 2.2 liters in an effort to create TORQUE, something the S2000 does NOT do in stock trim.

    This car was actually created as a test bed for a 2.2 liter stroker kit Honda wanted to offer.

    I dunno what ever became of it though.

    Spyder757
     
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    hey idiot there is replacement for displacement...........turbochargers/supachargers.if you dont believe me look at a n/a 300zx and a tt 300zx.(same displacement but different numbers). there both on the site too.
     
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    Yes, but at the expense of engine block longevity. Any time you're putting in blowers you're jacking up the pressure which in term, stress aand fatigue the block. If that's not a concern to you then it's fine. But for a guy like me, if I can afford work for an increased displacement (i.e., bored out cylinders) plus NA upgrade (and find the right guy to do it) that can make the same HP and increased torque, I'd go with that instead of blowers.
     
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    Are you an idiot. This is NOT a factory Honda car. It was modified by Mugen.
     
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    It's a super tank
     
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    This thing would be an absolute beas at 258hp and 2101 lbs, I bet it could do 0-60 in less than five.
     
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    <b>Honda knows there is no replacement for displacement, thats why they increased the stroke of this engine, and thus the displacement to 2.2 liters in an effort to create TORQUE, something the S2000 does NOT do in stock trim.

    This car was actually created as a test bed for a 2.2 liter stroker kit Honda wanted to offer.

    I dunno what ever became of it though.

    Spyder757</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Yo smart guy, this car is tuned by Mugen, not Honda.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    if there is no replacment for displacement, why's it a 4 banger?
    and 2.2 isn't even high displacement for a 4 banger
    it's sad when a tuned car produces that weak of power at almost 9000rpm
     
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    if there is truly no replacement for displacement, why are F1s 3 liter engines? Yeah try and answer that and make sense.
     
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    i dnt really care much for the looks of this car!
     
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    F1 cars are 3-litre coz the rules say so
     
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    what in the hell is this? I suppose there is an S2000 in there somewhere, if you squint real hard I guess...
     
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    crap
     
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    yep the rules do say so. But they are pretty powerful cars, so is there really NO replacement for displacement?
     
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    F1 cars put out Massive hp and very little torque, perfect example of the importance of high hp over high torque, or hp/weight ratio not torque/weight ratio, which is why the I4 engines Honda makes are so good, the cars are more like F1 cars than muscle cars, hmmm...what would do better on a windy road?
     
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    anyone who knows anything about engines at all KNOWS there is no replacement for displacement. no not turbos, superchargers, nitrous, mr fusion, whatever. if you put an equally sized turbo on a small motor and a large motor, the large one will make more power. if all other factors are equal, the larger motor will ALWAYS make more power. this is a fact. even the top import racers know this. why do you think the fastest fwd civic in the world is a 2.2 and not the 1.5 it came with? why do you think the fastest skylines are stroked from thier stock 2.6 liters to anywhere from 2.7-3.0. why do you think almost all of the top civic racecars use AT LEAST a 1.8, when none of them came with anything more than a 1.6?
     
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    What Civic comes with a 1.5? and most come with a 1.8 or 2.0 btw.
     
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    all civics come with a 1.5 or 1.6, except the new ones. none came with a 1.8. my old civic had a 1.5, all of the 92-95 lowere models had a 1.5, and most of the 91 and below were 1.5. i think they some still had the 1.5 in 96-00, but im not sure.
     
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    I thought you were referring to current models, I know 1.8's only started in '96, hell I own a '90 1.6 and already knew when I was looking for an si to avoid all 1.5's. There were a few low end models in '96-'00 with 1.5's but it was very rare, Ironically enough I think they were only offered as an option (for the people who don't care about performance and want good fuel economy).
     
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    that 1.5 is worthless man.
     
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    Aside from reliability and fuel economy, I agree wholeheartedly.
     
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    I'm still challenging you guys arguing that everyone knows there is no replacement for displacement. Its all about the engineering. Cars like Skylines that are bored out are done so cause the people doing it don't get to design and build the entire engine, and they also aren't the people smart enough to. The people smart enough to are hired by the car companies, there is a reason some people are tuners and some people make the car in the first place. IF there is no replacement for displacement, why are the 3.0 engines in F1 so kickass? YOu can't respond to that cause you can't defend that they need displacement.
     
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    yes the 3.0 f1 engines are badass, i never said you cant make a powerful small engine, what im saying is if you used the exact same engineering and components used in the 3.0 f1 engines, and made a 6.0, you will obviously have more power. how can you argue with that? just think about it.
     
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    Whatever you can do to a 2.2 litre engine, you can do to a 5.0 litre engine and get a better reponse. I can't stand all you 13 year old morons who have never even driven a car who try to argue about thigns they cant comprehend. Domestics and Imports both have their own unique qualities. And by the way, this car is great because it is naturally aspirated yet still pumps out 250+ hp out of a 2.2 litre engine. This is due to the high RPM capacity of the engine. Because it is so light weight and well balanced, it would easily beat a Ford Mustang and most domestics because of its superior handling. However, if you turbocharge a car, you make it slightly unreliable in driving as the the turbo creates a slingshot effect, which is *not* a good thing around a corner <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
    Turbocharged cars can take a bit of skill in order to drive them and utilize their power correctly.
     
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    2.2L from a four banger isn't alot. This is considered pretty average from a four cylinder engine. Plus it's N/A making it more badassed than a turbo charged engine with the same amount of power. Mugen is great for tuning out cars like these and keeping them N/A. Domestics make big power but not as efficient as a Honda or JGTC GT500 class R-34 V-Spec GTR.
     

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