Honda S2000 is the best car!

Discussion in '2000 Honda S2000' started by rthompson, Aug 9, 2002.

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    All N20 does is inject more oxygen into the cylinder, like other forms of forced induction, turbos and Superchargers.<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. The honda S2000 from the fast and the furious is the greatest car on the planet. That thing could probably go 0-60 in 3.5-4 sec. 1/4 mile in 10 flat. That six-speed is probably the smoothest shifter ever.
     
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    That car wasn't really as fast in real life as the movie portrayed it to be....<!-- Signature -->
     
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    There are S2000s that are that fast, but that was not one of them. The Celica that they used only did low 12s in the 1/4 mile, and they didn't have an infinite car modification budget. It is exceptionally hard to make an S2000 quicker without some kind of forced air induction...look at Mugen's attempt: they only got 15 more horsepower out of a $30,000 package added on to the $30,000 car! To put it simply: the car is as well tuned as it can get. It's a Formula 1 car at its heart, so the only way to make it faster is to stroke it a little, slap on a turbo or supercharger (not an easy task in this car), and give it hill-climber boost levels. This kind of modification is very expensive (think $7,500 for the blower and $10,000 in engine strengthening, and a few grand for uprated suspension and axles.) The car has potential, but it costs mucho dinero to get it out. That's why it's easier to start with a 5.7L V8 than a 2.0L I4.

    Whoa, I talk a lot. I guess I just got a little excited thinking about a 500hp, 400lb-ft S2000 with carbon-fibre reworking to make it weigh in at 2400lbs. The car makes it to 60 in 1st in under 3 seconds and blows through the quarter in a shade under 10...mmmmmm....that's what import power is all about. Screw this lowered Civic with a resonator you could store pig carcasses in shit. I'm talking about a $120,000 street-legal S2000 with more power, speed, and agility than you can shake a stick at.

    PS-I hate NOS. Never put Nitrous in a car if you really care for it. Turbos and Superchargers are ok if you do it right, but there is no way to make your engine ready for NOS. It's also cheating, damn cheaters. Does give you quite a bit of power, though....<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from LanciaDeltaIntegraleS4</i>
    <b>I hate NOS. Never put Nitrous in a car if you really care for it. Turbos and Superchargers are ok if you do it right, but there is no way to make your engine ready for NOS. It's also cheating, damn cheaters. Does give you quite a bit of power, though....</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    There's an age old debate on whether NOS is cheating or not, I generally say anything that gets you from point A to point B faster than the other guy is all fair game but I can see why many would consider NOS cheating. I personally would say the S2000 can really use it because there's almost no way honda or mugen engineers can squeeze more out of that 2.0L motor without having to go turbo or S/C.
     
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    I consider nitrous oxide pretty weak. If something doesn't give you power all the time, then I wouldn't put it in my car. The only thing that could be considered an exeption in my mind is a wastegate adjustable from inside the passenger compartment<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
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    The fact is that if you get beat by someone with NOS, you still got beat.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    yeah i agree. something about it just rubs me the wrong way. if i had it, id probably never use it, just because its supposed to be very bad for your engine, and not to mention, it doesnt work all the time. but i should research it more before i ever really decided. i mean, if you have a N2O button, what if you push it on accident? <!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from buzzbomber</i>
    <b>yeah i agree. something about it just rubs me the wrong way. if i had it, id probably never use it, just because its supposed to be very bad for your engine, and not to mention, it doesnt work all the time. but i should research it more before i ever really decided. i mean, if you have a N2O button, what if you push it on accident? </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Actually, most of the nitrous systems have safety features like you have to have WOT (wide open throttle) and they won't engage if engine temperatures are too high. Of course, if you make your own setup, you don't get these features unless you know how to add them.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    i dunno. to me, its not cheating, but its just not pure. it takes away the virginity of your car's engine. i compare all cars to F1, which i find to be the most pure of all motorsports. thats why i prefer smaller displacement engines. and in Formula One, they dont drive around on N2O all race long do they? (not as if they have to. its certainly not 93 octane gas) <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
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    In my opinion using nitrous oxide is like cheating. Although you sometimes need to prep the engine for nitrous, it's not really a mechanical function of the engine. Superchargers and Turbos are different because they "become" part of the engine.

    Forced air induction creates a more powerful engine, and nitrous oxide makes a weaker engine run with more power.

    One reason I didn't like Fast and Furious is because it was nothing more than one big NOS commercial. <!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from rthompson</i>
    <b>All N20 does is inject more oxygen into the cylinder, like other forms of forced induction, turbos and Superchargers.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Actually, that's not what it does. Chemically, N2O is much higher in energy than O2 because the Nitrogen-Oxygen bond is so strong. When you break a strong bond, you get a lot of energy. That's why nitroglycerine and TNT (triNITRO toluene, a.k.a. dynamite) are so explosive; they have that high-energy N-O bond that, when broken, emits a lot of energy very quickly. With nitrous, you don't get more oxygen. In fact, the same number of particles of O2 has more oxygen than N2O. The advantage to N2O is that you get an explosion from the breakup of the nitrous oxide molecule. You don't get that same effect from O2 (i.e., the O2 molecule doesn’t emit much energy when split apart), otherwise you'd have O2 tanks injecting their juice into your cylinders, not N2O tanks.

    A turbo or supercharger along with an intercooler serves only to increase the number of oxygen particles that can be jammed into the cylinder. The oxygen sensor on your engine measures that amount and adjusts the amount of fuel to be injected into the cylinder. It is actually that increase in fuel that gives you more power; the increase in oxygen merely allows more fuel to be burned completely.

    When the spark plug ignites the gas in a NOS-enhanced engine, the gas oxidizes (burns)...and so does the N20. The nitrogen becomes N2 and the oxygen becomes part of CO2 or H2O (the carbon and hydrogen both come from the gasoline). This is a highly exothermic reaction, as is the breakup of the gasoline molecules. So, in a sense, you are adding a different type of fuel to your engine when you inject nitrous oxide. That's why I see NOS as cheating: your engine is, momentarily, only half gas-powered. You could actually run your car solely on N2O if you wanted to, but you couldn't do the same on only O2. With a little spark, nitrous oxide will break apart and emit that energy. Oxygen itself is not explosive, it needs to be in the presence of some easily-oxidized material to burn...

    So that's the end of my chemistry lesson. Don't ever let anyone tell you that NOS is just pre-pressurized oxygen or that it's the same as a turbo. It's about as cheap a way to win as using methanol (or other alcohols) as a fuel. Say no to NOS.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    The gas still makes H2O and Co2 even when the N2O is not injected, where is the extra fuel coming from? is the N2 actually doing something.... NO.
    The percentage of oxygen in the atmosphere is very small compared to the oxygen in the Nitrous, the extra power indeed comes from the extra oxygen injected and oxidizing the gasoline.

    HMMMM ever wonder why people don't use pure O2 in their engines? Three words.

    SAFETY AND COST<!-- Signature -->
     
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    ill have to agree w/ vette on this one, nitrous is just a quick boost for cars to run a strait line (not to mention it hurts the gaskets, valves, and berings in your engine). a supercharger or turbo is an actual part of the engine, it works full time (in most cases), and only introduces the same air in higher quantities. this is unlike nitrous oxide, which must be refilled (my personal reason for not having a system)
     

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