How Ferrari spins (article/rant)

Discussion in 'European Cars' started by lucky strike, Feb 15, 2011.

  1. Besides the Ferrari's suspect tests. I agree isn't typical for US cars (excluding something about the GT..). But for "representative or typical results" I want to know something like:

    0-1000m:
    20.1 - Murcielago LP40 - Quattroruote
    20.29 - 997GT2 - Automobilismo
    20.96 - Vette Z06 - Auto
    19.42 - Carrera GT - Auto
    20.91 - Murcielago - Automobilismo
    22.8 - Carrera 996 - Autocar

    0-200 kmh/0-124mph
    11.8 - 996GT2 - Amus
    10.2 - LP640 - Quattroruote
    11.5 - GT-R - C&D
    11.4 - Murcielago - AMuS

    or something like 0-300 km/h 32.5 - SL55 AMG - AMuS

    I don't remember anything other test at the moment, but there are surely other suspect tests.
     
  2. Besides the Ferrari's suspect tests. I agree isn't typical for US cars (excluding something about the GT..). But for "representative or typical results" I want to know something like:

    0-1000m:
    20.1 - Murcielago LP40 - Quattroruote
    20.29 - 997GT2 - Automobilismo
    20.96 - Vette Z06 - Auto
    19.42 - Carrera GT - Auto
    20.91 - Murcielago - Automobilismo
    22.8 - Carrera 996 - Autocar

    0-200 kmh/0-124mph
    11.8 - 996GT2 - Amus
    10.2 - LP640 - Quattroruote
    11.5 - GT-R - C&D
    11.4 - Murcielago - AMuS

    or something like 0-300 km/h 32.5 - SL55 AMG - AMuS

    I don't remember anything other test at the moment, but there are surely other suspect tests.
     
  3. Besides the Ferrari's suspect tests. I agree isn't typical for US cars (excluding something about the GT..). But for "representative or typical results" I want to know something like:

    0-1000m:
    20.1 - Murcielago LP40 - Quattroruote
    20.29 - 997GT2 - Automobilismo
    20.96 - Vette Z06 - Auto
    19.42 - Carrera GT - Auto
    20.91 - Murcielago - Automobilismo
    22.8 - Carrera 996 - Autocar

    0-200 kmh/0-124mph
    11.8 - 996GT2 - Amus
    10.2 - LP640 - Quattroruote
    11.5 - GT-R - C&D
    11.4 - Murcielago - AMuS

    or something like 0-300 km/h 32.5 - SL55 AMG - AMuS

    I don't remember anything other test at the moment, but there are surely other suspect tests of other Factories, including Ford and Vette.
     
  4. I want to know the laptimes of every car on El Pinar track (Canelones, Uruguay), configuration B. To me that would be lots of help to know if, for example, a Ferrari or a Lamborghini are real fast cars or if they're bluffing.

    Thanks.
     
  5. Porsche 911 GT3 - stolen
    Ferrari 458 - stolen
    Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 - stolen
    Ferrari 599 GTO - stolen
    Lamborghini Gallardo LP570 - vandalized

    Glad I could help!
     
  6. It was probably the Ferrari people stealing all those cars so their POS 458 doesn't get obliterated by the others' laptimes.
     
  7. i dove my ford f-150 to eurotrash land to race a ferrari benzo and i was staying in a hotel in sissily the night before the race and i was woken up in the middle of sex and when i looked out the window i saw a bunch of ferrari employees being gay with my truck and the next day when i raced the ferrari my truck was much slower. ferrari is the jesus christ of automibiles. weak and greasy
     
  8. +1
     
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  10. #235 mafalda, Mar 7, 2011
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    Just two Ex:
    997.2 PDK on supertest had some comfort optioal ok, but all the performance-optionals too: Sport Cup, sport setup, sport chrono pack, composite brakes <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
    http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=62223_supertest_porsche_911_carrera_s_pdk_6_122_837lo.jpg
    ..pilot sport cup on a CarreraS <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
    SLS AMG on supertest had full composite-optionals for weight-reduction: 1647 Kg, -50/55 Kg than other tests <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
    http://img132.imageshack.us/f/74647974.jpg/
     
  11. #236 not exactly teh man, Mar 7, 2011
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    Still only used one car.
     
  12. I would love to have a ferrari team sort out my ride like that! nothing to see here.

     
  13. if ferrari once brought two cars, not to say that they always do it. please stop stupid denigrations
    please, I want your opinion when ford Ford used 2 GT for a famous test "0-300" (and how a 550ps with long gear ratio can compete against >600ps supercars)
     
  14. If Ford used two cars and one (or both for that matter) were tuned with the intention of artificially good numbers from performance test(s), then it's still silly and childish, I ain't got the intention of defending Ford, if that was what you wanted.
     
  15. Clearly you have no idea how the car industry works. The MPG ratings are done by a 3rd party through an INCREDIBLY well controlled and standardized driving procedure on a dyno in a temperature controlled room with ultra-standardized fuel and just about everything else under control.
     
  16. lol
     
  17. #242 Phanofmuzik, Mar 8, 2011
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    oh, and as a reference: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml
     
  18. #243 Guibo, Mar 8, 2011
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    Those are not two examples of what I asked for: providing 2 different test cars, and changing wheel sizes in order to reduce understeer. Not a single person in this thread has said other companies *don't* provide cars with performance options, so why you're even bringing this up is truly baffling.
    In the case of the Porsche, those are performance options that you can specify in Germany and probably other countries too. But look at the rest of the options: dynamic cornering xenons, multimedia, tire pressure control system, navigation, etc. With 25,305 euros in options, this is no stripper. Wanna bet the lightweight Ferrari California tested by Evo was a stripper and with weight-saving options?
    Unless you can show me where Porsche and Mercedes provided two cars, one for regular road work and one for the track, then you have no basis to claim that other companies go to the same lengths as Ferrari. Show me where their mechanics changed wheel sizes to reduce understeer/oversteer. Show me where their mechanics tagged along in the eCTOY issue to provide just the right tires at just the right moment.
     
  19. it's funny to see up to a month ago, only few tests about Ferrari elicited, at best, some doubts 'cause performances a little bit above average (as like as other mnfrs), today many users say, "I knew it," all tests are manipulated "Etc etc
    Why you do not have written it before (before Harris...), if you already know and it was so obvious? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
    it remind me Orson Wells: before his famous radio-jokes, the word "Alien" was unknown, now everyone sees aliens everywhere...
     
  20. prove me ferrrai uses ****everytime**** two cars...
     
  21. #246 Guibo, Mar 8, 2011
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    I did mention the very fast 360 on this forum before. Just one example from last year:
    http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=1&tID=175997&bottom=150#post154

    I also did mention that Autocar's first 360 CS vs GT3 was postponed when Ferrari had a chat with the CS customer. I have also questioned before why the F430 was able to be so fast in that QR shootout; the explanation I got was something along the lines of ECU update or something. Do you remember you explained one of these tests was due to high octane, mafalda? I also questioned how the 599 GTB could have been that fast. Other members here also remarked about the Ferrari mechanics under the hood of the car in the AMuS test. Your buddy F40 Le Mans explained outright: the 599 GTB was running development chip tuning available only through "unofficial markets."

    I've also called out Mercedes for that SL55 with the development SLR engine, and TVR's too. So don't give me any shit about it being just about Ferrari.
     
  22. Prove me where *I* say Ferrari uses ****everytime**** two cars...

    Fact of the matter is, you can't show a single manufacturer who has gone through the same lengths that Ferrari has. Not a single one. You would have done it by now, if you could. If indeed Ferrari are no different from other companies. Clearly they are different.
     
  23. oh thank goodness, the ferrari is not routinely used two cars ... this is a good result....
    Well, after so many posts, what would your thesis? Ferrari manipulate only a few tests, or all?
    there are some tests above average, it is no secret, but this also applies to other manufacturers too. I posted a long list of "strange tests ", I'd easily stretch, I'm waiting for a comment.
    But if you believe Ferrari manipulates them all, prove it. however, Harris's theory, supported by you, makes me smile. I've been posted two tests with customer cars, Auto and Evo, that you snubbed, but there is a third test with a famous ferrari customer: R & T. Enzo did had the same acceleration of AMuS (with an official Enzo), and also brakes and excellent handling ... 3 tests, 3 great results, zero problems: our thesis " ferrari press-units are much more better than customer units" is a faiulre.
    and about the tests with private vehicles, compliments for the consistency. Harris's article is the Holy Bible, the test of Auto and Evo prove nothing (and certainly R & T too...) ... but a video on youtube (good for you ..) is a incontrovertible evidence!

     
  24. showing an example of where it didnt happen doesn't show that it doesn't happen.

    Using steriods for 3 seasons and not for the other 6 doesn't make you not a cheater.
     
  25. oh god not another #$%#ing idiot.

    stop embarrassing yourself.
     

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