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Discussion in 'European Cars' started by lucky strike, Feb 15, 2011.
So he's a 45 year old virgin omg lol
sounds like the title of a sequel movie in the making.
yea i dunno why we didnt get along
Wrong. The true meaning of the thread is that Ferrari goes to greater lengths than other manufacturers: threatening action against private customers (and press, should private customer cars be used), ECU modifications over stock, self-provided fuels, rev limit changes, changing out entire wheel sizes to fix inherent imbalances, etc. So far, you cannot point to another manufacturer that has done ALL of these things.
As for McLaren, their modifications are subjective in nature: inducting exhaust sound into the cabin, lighter weighting of the gearshift paddles, improved steering feel. These are things that have very little to no effect on the speed of the car, which is not the same as Ferrari have been doing.
Fact of the matter is, Evo/Sutcliffe were not pointing out Ferrari's shenanigans to give a win to their home-grown McLaren. You were wrong on that.
no, Mc is working again on MP4 to save a forest...
No, the real point of this thread is: ferrari denigrations.
Unfortunately for you, the same EVO has come to deny you with "another (...another???) victory for maranello" and "otpimize? no problem".
458 italia 0-200
QR 0.6s faster than Autocar: media manipulation
AZ strong 1s better than Autocar... comments? I cannot read themhere; marginalized? even so I'm pretty sure the reason will be "good form and weather" <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
Holy #$%# stfu with this thread already
You never go ass to mnouth
Look what you've done.
I sure hope you're happy.
Lol, the bullshit continues.
look at the top gear times
458 is shit and will be unreliable
Who made the distinction that only one of the 458s was manipulated?
1s? How about the 7s difference in 0-150 for the Autocar 360? I don't recall anything touching that difference yet. Or the 5+ seconds between press and customer F430s.
Autocar: acceleration done with passenger. Location? Autocar average their results for 2 directions. Show me the 0-200 from Autocar. They do say their test was done "on a showery day with grip at a premium."
Autozeitung: same surface on a showery day? Averaged result in both directions? I've never heard of Autozeitung testing with a passenger.
Like I said, it's possible McLaren have learned *one* lesson from Ferrari: how to juice up press cars for favorable results. Let's wait for customer cars' performances to confirm. And see how well they follow Ferrari's path in the other areas (many more points to go). That has always been the point of this thread, mafalda: Ferrari deserve "denigrations" because more than any other company, they have done more to swing results in their favor. Some of these things are apparently not covered under warranty, so can only be considered "modified vehicles." Show me another company that has equaled Ferrari *on all counts.*
Sometimes, in the heat of the moment, it's forgivable to go ass to mouth.
No should expect a regular sports car like the 458 to compete with real supercars like the MP4-12C and Aventador anyway.
It seems like this thread will be haunting this forum forever.
lets bring this thread to life.. again..
the 458 was beaten, again, in top gear (usa) by ZR1
i want the aventador to reach the zr1
The Viper ACR is such a best.