How Ferrari spins (article/rant)

Discussion in 'European Cars' started by lucky strike, Feb 15, 2011.

  1. ...and apprently those people have not been paying much attention to what's going on in the media since this is such a big fuzz....Why don't they see that this is just another battle in the war going on between Ferrari and Harris / EVO ....?

    Some make a sex tape, look-at-me-I'm-offering-my-Lewis-Hamilton-talent-and-fame-&-fortune-to-tell-"the truth-about-cars"-to-the-public-Mr. Harris throws dirt at the biggest name in the industry. Many ways of personal "branding" and getting attention.....
     
  2. I like how you two are talking about Harris and EVO like it's a single entity, when Harris just started writing for EVO like last year. None of the EVO instances I mentioned had anything to do with Harris, and most of the tests Harris references are from when he was at AutoCar.

    I also wasn't even aware of either when Car and Driver tried to test the F50, was that part of their war against "Harris/EVO" too? Maybe Ferrari mistook the Car and Driver editors for EVO editors over a year before it even started being published?
     
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  4. That response works too.
     
  5. I have got some more straws for you to clutch at
     
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  7. Here you go.
     
  8. Nice.

    They had advantage of setup the week before and the GT3 RS was still faster. Would be interesting how the 458 set up for the road compared...
     
  9. FAILRRARI
     
  10. do you really think the other manufacturers, in these times, sent cars taken at random from line assembly, and the first set of tires that were in their hand?
    do you really think the cars developed @ Ring, do not go @ SA's supertest with a specific setup?
    you are free to believe it, obvioisly
    However, I'm still waiting to know why nobody is yet able to match the time reported the GT-R MY08 (7'29") , even with a latest GT-R with 530ps and many other improvements .......
    I dont know about Sport Auto and Autocar, about Quattrouote, during their supercomparo "club 4s" there's a team for each car....
    p.s.
    even so, the article is good
     
  11. Ferrari is the Islam of the car world. Absolutely no critique is tolerated, no matter how reasonable, or well thought out.
     
  12. No, most press cars probably are very well taken care of and for sure make at least the quoted power. However, the GT-Rs used in Evo magazine were private customer cars with less than 400 miles on them. Do you think Nissan intercepted those cars, put in hot engines and threw on special tires? The GT-R used in C&D was slower than M3's in a straight line, yet still beat the Z06 and ran the GT2 close enough on the road course. The GT-R used in Drivers Republic was not a special car, being one of the GT Academy cars (and likely on Pirellis); it was slower in the dragrace than the 997.2 Carrera (not Turbo/GT2/GT3), yet it beat the Porsche around the circuit by 4-5 seconds. Drivers Republic commented that the customer cars they've driven felt stronger than that demo; Nissan did nothing to intervene in the group comparo.
    The cars that go to the supertest may be on a specific setup, but that doesn't necessarily mean a good setup for Hockenheim nor the street.
    GT-R's time...AutoBild test with a professional racing driver shows that (even with a full track layout and passenger), 6 seconds can be cut from the 458's time. Why not the GT-R? Why don't you answer my point about the GT-R needing a certain driving style to extract the absolute best from it?

    I've answered your questions. I noticed you haven't answered mine.
     
  13. Were you implying that Harris is out to make the 458 look bad in comparison to the McLaren?
     
  14. Guibo GT-R My10 does 7.43.65.. my solar power calculator says 7.43.65 - (6s) = 7.37.65
    It's still 8s far from MY08 and 11s far from MY09
    I believe every supercar needs time a certain driving style to extract 100%.
    GT-R is excellent, and definitely "different", but if to do its best you have to be God, or you need three years of training, then its hotlaps can be considered not-repeatble...
     
  15. And how did you arrive at exactly -6 seconds? Just because that's what AutoBild's test driver did in the 458? Please, don't be such a moron. You forget: full lap + weight (and reserved) of passenger. That driver is not likely to go full 100% commitment like a factory driver.
    Do you honestly think the AutoBild test got the 100% best from the 458?

    You believe...so tell me: What is the special driving style required of the 458? You have only belief. I have pretty solid evidence that the GT-R does indeed require a special technique, and this is related to its AWD system.

    Not repeatable...do you think your average driver is going to be able to do 100% in any car on a completely closed Nordschleife? What is the relevance of this line of thinking?

    Hey, having problems with the rest of the questions? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A> I think I know why...
     
  16. And you are obviously not aware that Harris is racing Porsches with importer support and that he has a little business on side where he is trading 911's...Such a person is disqualified as a jornalist. He's biased pr. definition.
     
  17. YOU HAVE A FERRARI AVATAR AND POSTED PICTURES OF A FERRARI THAT YOU'RE DRIVING, THEREFORE YOU OPINION ON ANYTHING ELSE IS NOT VALID AN SHIT.
     
  18. I think I've already the answer for you: there's no a direct comparo where GT-R beats ferrari. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
    that's all
     
  19. And I'm allowd to because I don't make a living giving the public "an objective" opinion on a car no matter what brand it is ....

    I'm not a journalist (opioin maker). I'm a car nut just like you. We even both drive Italian cars my Southamerican friend
     
  20. DAMNIT
     
  21. Holy shit, it's amazing that those kind of adjustments can make such a huge difference. Totally unfair. And I don't thing I ever have or ever will read one of Guibo's posts.
     
  22. #172 mafalda, Feb 23, 2011
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    I said "strange timing" and I confirm it. Ferrari-scandal during teh McLaren-premiere....
    It's probably just a coincidence, but ... strangely, on the homepage Autocar-website (UK) comes another coincidence, that is, a fairly useless controversy.... http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/autocarconfidential/archive/2011/02/22/the-problem-with-buying-supercars-is.aspx

    maybe it's always a coincidence, but the UK magazines insist about lowest price of the MP4-12C (995 pounds), but, again, never say that the composite brakes are an optional on the MP4-12, certainly much more expensive than £ 1,000.... <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
    my mind goes back a few years ago, when Ferrari dominated the Formula 1. During that period, two UK magazines published two very strange covers:
    1. CAR "Shock: Ford GT beats 360 CS" (written with abnormal characters). reading the article, the reason was "ford beats ferrari because it is faster on the straights. "
    ....Can someone explain me where is the surprise (or even the shock), if Ford had a supercharged 5.4l with 550ps and Ferrari had only a 3.6l atmo with 425ps?
    2. Autocar: "M5 meets F430, and wins!" ..the reason was... more luggage wan! (no comment)
    unfortunately (unfortunately for them) a few months later, Autocar wrote:
    "The M6 is like the M5, but it is better"
    "The XKR beats M6. "
    ...it means: XKR >>> F430!
    .... or XKR is very very much better than F430, or something is wrong... <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
    and you can add too many times when the UK magazine, driving the Enzo (ex. Autocar, Top Gear), wrote "oh yeah is good, but 0-60 3.6s stil slower than caterham's 3.5s... <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/amazed.gif"></A>
    all coincidences, perhaps
     
  23. Or yours. Or SCHINP's
     
  24. #174 Tafster, Feb 23, 2011
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    are you a zionist too?

    i've never seen this level of conspiracy 'everyone is out to get us' anywhere else.
     
  25. No, you haven't answered. The simple fact is, you cannot answer the question because you're a raging fanboy. The answer is quite simply: There is no other manufacturer that goes to the same lengths as Ferrari to manipulate the outcome of a test.

    All we need to know is that the old GT-R is pretty comparable to the Scuderia (VIR) which is pretty comparable to the GT2 (Bedford, Willow Springs, Anglesey). And which, according to Ferrari, is faster than the 458 around Fiorano. We can make a reasonable estimate that the new GT-R is probably about as fast as the 458 on the 'Ring. So, if AutoBild's pro race driver, with weight of passenger and reasonably assumed reserved driving, plus the full course layout can record 7:32 in the 458, then it's reasonable to guess he can lap ~7:26 with full 100% commitment. Now you're quibbling about 2 seconds on a 13-mile track that you've never even driven. That's incredibly retarded.

    Remember, when HvS first tested the GT-R, Suzuki drove in that same session, over the same conditions (damp in places) and he was 12 seconds faster than HvS.
     

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