I think I'd Take an M3.

Discussion in '2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra' started by Angisio, Nov 2, 2002.

  1. Re: I think I'd Take an M3.

    K, I'm not calling you a liar or anything, but could you please tell me where you got those numbers? And for Guibo, yeah they were tested on different days, so I'll check the condition numbers next time I get a chance.

    P.S. to American HP, I have seen the M3 do 0-60 in 4.652. Its still no 4.5, but its faster than the Road And Track times. So both cars are probably capable of more, but thats the numbers that they gave.
     
  2. Re: I think I'd Take an M3.

    And when you check those conditions, here's what you'll find:

    The M3 was tested in Germany, probably around November or December since the article was published in February. R&T's lateral acceleration numbers come from Auto Motor und Sport, using a 200-meter-diameter skidpad, compared to 200 feet as used in R&T's standard testing.

    The SVT Cobra test was done on a reasonably cool day, most likely in May or June.


    By C&D's numbers, these cars are pretty close on the identical skidpad. 0.90g for the Cobra, 0.89g for the M3 SMG, 0.84g for the non-SMG M3. The Cobra is quite a bit quicker in acceleration (than either), but gives up some under braking.
     
  3. Re: I think I'd Take an M3.

    ok, they might grip better, than the Neon (I never considered it to be really sticky), but they all seem pretty fishy when cornering (except the Panoz Roadster). I don't know of many rails that will flex horizontally.
     
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    Once again ignorance at its best.
     
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    If it's so ignorant, then y don't you find me any tracks that will flex horizontally, being so fishy, I fail to see how it would be possible for any of those cars to handle like they're on rails, so please elaborate utilizing your phenomenally vast knowledge how that could be ignorant in the least.
     
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    Those cars have been proven again and again to be amazing handling vehicles, just read up on them, I don't have the time nor do I care to explain to you why they are great handling vehicles. They are not "fishy" when taking a corner, thats why you are ignorant, you don't have the facts nor do you want to learn any. Your a sad sad person.
     
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    gee, that's funny, I didn't say anything about them not handling well, I just said that saying that it handles like it's on rails is somewhat inaccurate, and when the car has a rear end that sways often it isn't fishy? wow, please enlighten me on what fishy means then. Even one of the best handling of American cars (Z06) has tell tale fishiness on the race track, just watch just about any race that involves more than two turns that turn in more than just one direction, if you watch carefully you'll see the rear end fishtail on the majority of corners.
     
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    You're taking the term "It handles like it's on rails" way too literally. IT’S JUST AN EXSPRESSION, damn.
     
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    based on the expression, a MINI handles like it's on rails, a Corvette does not.

    The expression basically means that no matter how hard you turn, the car will not lose grip, the rear end will not fishtail.
     
  10. Re: I think I'd Take an M3.

    An Acura NSX and Ferrari F355 will fishtail. So will a Lotus Elise, at the limit. So what.
     
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    A mini will also fishtail when driven hard or beyond its limits. Any car will do that, so I guess no car can ever again be said that it handles like its on rails, huh?
    Once again (since you don't want to or can't unsderstand) its an expression kid, AN EXSPRESSION.
     
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    Sorry, bad choice of words. I thought I had inferred that it was an expression and based on that expression, only cars that show unusually high resistance to fishtailing can be said to handle like they're on rails. But then I screwed up in the wording by saying "never fishtails" - I didn't mean that literally.

    In other words, I know it's an expression, I was just taking into account what it means, and a car that will fishtail at much more than average highway g-forces cannot be said to handle like it's on rails.


    As for NSX, Elise, etc. yes they will fisttail, but not nearly so easily as the Z06, they more readily do this nifty little thing called drifting because of the excellent weight distribution. Now I would not say that either can be said to "Handle like it's on rails" because they will drift, and they are far more controllable when drifting than many other cars, which is why they can be said to handle so well.


    The Point: To say it "handles like it's on rails" doesn't necessarily mean it handles extremely well, the expression just means that the car sticks to the road well.
     
  13. Re: I think I'd Take an M3.

    two words: Traction Control

    two acronyms: TCS & ASC (Active Stability Control for those who don't know)

    keeps the car under controllable skid. i don't know about the other cars, but a 2000 BMW 540iS with traction control on will hit some amazing corners at 60 mph, but without traction control, spin. all those cars you listed have TCS, and that usually lets the back end slide a little, but that's cool, because it means you can actually put all this power to the ground.

    about the "handling like it's on rails" argument, why dont we all agree that we're happy our 500 hp american cars don't handle like a 69 camaro SS that we strapped 500 hp into, or that (if you would make a stupid decision like this) your 325 hp Honda (haha, that's A LOT of money) doesn't handle like a 325 hp CRX.
     
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    "based on the expression, a MINI handles like it's on rails, a Corvette does not"

    What part of "based on the expression" don't you understand? It implies that I'm no longer talking literally, I'm getting back to the expression, not the literal meaning. In other words I'm using the expression in the same manner you used it earlier, therefore.......ah forget it, the discussion moves too quickly for you anyway, you'll probably only understand about 10% of the information contained in this post.
     
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    I reall enjoy how you slowly change what you have said earlier so you don't look like a complete moron. You state something totally wrong and then slowly say something different each post after the original, in the end you are saying something else just so you don't look like a jackass for you unintelligent ramblings. Good job moron.
     
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    No, first I was teasing you by taking your statement literally, when you finally got fed up and said "it's an expression" I figured "ok, now he's made it clear that he was using the expression and wasn't speaking literally, so I'll run with it" and that's what I did, basically I reversed what I was saying because you said specifically you were using the expression and not the literal meaning.

    I aggravated you, job accomplished, then I joined in the conversation, it's not my fault your mind works too slowly to pick this up.


    I never said something wrong as in the literal sense no car handles "like it's on rails", and I did not slowly say something different each post after the original, I was talking about the literal meaning in one post, you brought up the expression in your next post, so I said something in reference to the expression in response to that.

    in one post I was using the literal sense, the next post I was using the "expression" sense. How is this changing what I'm saying?
     
  17. Re: I think I'd Take an M3.

    Oh, is that why it won the Manufacturers Championship in the WRC 4 years in a row?


    Meanwhile how many has Ford won? ZERO!
     
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    Anyway, who's comparing? nobody ever compared the Mini to this, it was just brought up.
     
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    A car has to have balls to be able to win the manufacturer's Championship in the WRC. Your comment "Mini is a *****'s car" is an excellent example of the American misconception "bigger is better".

    Pikes Peak has had some of the highest winds ever recorded at a mountain top and yet the Mini fared well at Pikes Peak.

    You can lift 2,315lbs???WOW!!!<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/amazed.gif"></A>!!! Remind me to never meet you in person!<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
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    Oh wow?<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/amazed.gif"></A>
     
  21. Re: I think I'd Take an M3.

    Oh, wow! <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/disappointed.gif"></A> Like I haven't done the same thing with my Civic, or a Mini.

    167cm, 60kg (130 lbs.), and I've recently dropped a 23m cliff while snowboarding (today in fact). Agile, wirey, and quick reflexes, I'm not overly built in the upperbody, but I can press 268kg with my legs (if you haven't guessed, in a roundabout way I'm saying that I really don't G.A.S. about your specs).

    Guess what? Me and my buddies were far more creative with our jokes. We cleared out the office of our "Resident Manager" (ie. the manager of the housing at my college), then we carried a 1960 something (owned by one of our friends) Mini into the Resident Manager's office (it was April Fool's, at about 3:00 am), and left it there. There was one on the back, 1 on each side and guess who was at the front by themselves..(in case you can't tell, I'm mocking you in the structure of my sentence, though it is true)....Me! THAT joke was actually funny, though I wish we'd gotten a picture of the Resident manager's face in the morning, particularly since the door was narrower than the car (just slightly, fortunately somebody came up with the creative idea of taking off the side panels and tires, then putting them back on once in the office, any idea who came up with that idea?<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>)

    There was also one other time when I moved my Civic, I was teaching a friend how to drift on the way down our skihill road (it was about a month before the hill opened, we had gone up for the day to build a huge "kicker" and bust mad flips off it), and on a particularly difficult turn I told him to wait before turning in, he got impatient and turned in early, we went across the road tight against the apex and got dragged into the ditch. The snow was thick, and light, shoveling just made it sink into the ditch more (the right rear tire was in the air by about 45 cm), so we lifted it back onto the road, I got the front end, while he got the rear, My Civic (being larger, and having a much bigger drivetrain and engine) weighs more than a Geo Metro, though we didn't move it as far.

    Now, in response to what you said, just because you lifted a Geo with your buddies doesn't mean you could lift a Mini on your own, the New Mini weighs more than a Metro, and there is no possible way you could lift a car completely off the ground on your own unless you have superhuman strength (unless of course you got underneath it - which is impossible considering the low ride height - and balanced it with your legs and hands and pushed it up off the ground). So, back to reality, you could not lift a Mini off the ground entirely.
     
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    Him and all of his "friends"(which is probably one, maybe two) I would guess drive the short bus to school.
     
  23. Re: I think I'd Take an M3.

    Hate to break it to you, but when it comes to the two of you, I am right 90% of the time.



    And the only reason you've given up is because I've provided so much proof you don't know how to respond, in fear that you'll say something else stupid.





    BTW - I have enough friends to throw a Keg party and have the keg empty within 3 hours, also enough to go snowboarding in the back country and have 20people there to get my back if I get caught in an avalanche after I land a 30meter backside 720* tweaked method, and visa versa - we look out for each other, and enough to make sure I get home safely on the odd occasion I drink too much and am incapable of taking care of myself - again, we look out for each other, I also have enough friends that I have no trouble finding a co-driver whenever mine cannot make it to the next rally....shall I give more examples?
     
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    Wow you really proved me wrong, sorry, didn't know you had so many friends...Anybody can say that, yet something doesn't sound right about your story, oh yeah the part about people haning out with you.
    You've proved nobody wrong as of yet, and I don't see it happening anytime soon idiot.
     
  25. Re: I think I'd Take an M3.

    You can keep on living in your own little world (what Downs Syndrome actually is), it's ok, I won't think any less of you. (as if I could <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>)
     

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