Is it the driver or the car?

Discussion in '1936 Maybach SW36' started by ReeK, Aug 9, 2002.

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    I didn't mean to bring back the unsafe cars, I simply meant that it would be good to see more than 4 or 5 drivers win races.
     
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    Fastest laps (Monaco GP) Time Lap
    08. M Webber KL Minardi-Asiatech (M) 1:19.968 69

    Considering Webber beat the likes of JP Montoya, K Raikkonen, and J Button, the driver does play a big role in the success of a team. Can't really say that the Minardi is a better than a Renault, McLaren or a Williams can you?

    That being said, Ferrari are reputed to have one of the most easy cars to drive. Thus Barrichello's closer to Schumacher these days because Schu's natural 'feel' for the car is negated because it's so damn easy to drive.
     
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    MS is the biggest advertisement for what a driver can do to a team, he took both Benetton and Ferrari to the championship when they were down in the doldrums, it's not just about his driving though, it's also about how he gets the team focused etc etc.
     
  4. i dont know much about these cars and how they do things but i hear they are very unsuccessful at f1 racing... now if they were to get a new driver would they improve? or would they have to get a new car to win a few races? what do you think?<!-- Signature -->
     
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    to win races, Minardi needs more money. Money to hire the best designer (Adrian Newey - McLaren), money for the best engine (not a crappy 3 year-old engine), money for a wind tunnel, money so they could do testing so their drivers get more practice, money for better electronics, the list could go on and on.

    Having said that, Jaguar (Ford) has bucketloads of money and they are still crap. Same with BAR.

    Have to say car is more important than the driver. Nigel Mansell was a nobody until he was put in a Williams in 1985, he went on to score 31 grand prix wins (and a CART championship as well). Villeneuve scored 14 wins in '96-'97 and hasn't done anything since (Except change his hair colour a few times). Mika Hakkinen never won a race until McLaren gave him the best car, he promptly won two world championships. Juan Montoya tested for Williams a few years back and was not impressive at all, now that William has a good car and possibly the most powerful engine in formula 1, Montoya is being hailed as the next 'big thing'. Don't get me wrong, drivers are mportant and a great driver can do great things with a mediocre car, (Senna in a Toleman 1984, Schumacher in a Benetton '94-'95 and in a Ferrari in '96). Conversely some drivers have great cars their entire career and don't do squat with it (Coulthard with Williams '94-'95 and McLaren '96 to present).

    I will shut up now.
     
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    yeah i agree with reek! the reason ferrari wins so much right now is becuase they got the best car! and yeah it's mainly becuase of the driver too but the car plays an important role! if they put schumacher in a jaguar do you think he will still win as much! i don't think so!

    i will shutup now too! lol<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Money buys you success at the moment in F1.
    The 3 big teams have 2 engines. 1 for the qualifying, a highly tuned engine that would not last a whole race, and then a race engine, with less power but will last longer. Times that by 2 and each driver has a spare car, thats a total of 6 engines and I bet they have 1 or 2 in the truck.
    Minardi cant afford stuff like that and probably have 1 engine for qualifying and racing, and then only 1 spare car.
    As said before the engine is 3 years old, and anything that is 3 years old in a technology based industry is far inferior. In the early 90s, Williams won it all, cos it was the best car. Then it was Benatton (Or however you spell it) who won for 2-3 years, then the rules where changed not allowing electronic changing of the settings during a race, and they never won a race since. Williams are coming back into it. Why? Becuase the engine can rev 3000rpm higher than all the rest.
    Ferrari's budget is probably 10 times that of the smaller teams, and it shows.

     
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    Yeah after the current concorde agreement runs out (2006 I think) The smaller teams have to ask for more of the TV money, at the moment as I understand, the more your team wins, the more money you get. So it's a vicious cycle, if all the teams got the same piece of the pie from all the TV revenue it might start to even things out. Bring back 1982!-(eleven different drivers won Grand prix that year), But really it is good that now there are 3 teams that have a shot at the title, it has usually been only 2 throughout the '90s.
     
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    I think it all started when the refueling rule came in, for some reason. At the start all the cars had an even playing field because all the cars are heavy on fuel. But now some are heavy some are light.
    And I remember the good old days of a 5 second pit stop is a disaster.

     
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    Yeah in the '80s you had to carry all your fuel for the whole race, so it came down to who had less pit-stops for tyres. I remember one race where Alain Prost drove conservatively and didn't pit the entire race, but won by over 30 seconds from Senna who stopped 3 times I think.
     
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    No, don't bring back '82. Two drivers killed is not my cup of tea.

    But in response to the initial question, to be in the mid-field you need either a good car or a good driver and in that situation, money = improvement. When you get to the top, you need stacks of money to get the best drivers, engineers, etc. because one without the other will not deliver success. Minardi already have a great driver in Webber. He may be a little "green" but he is really talented and is getting that Minardi up into places it shouldn't be in. Minardi are sure to improve, though. It's only a year and a bit since Paul Stoddart took over and I think, given time, he can get the money and the team will climb through the field. This year they have already closed the gap and it's only a matter of time before they are beating other cars in qualifying and in the race.
     
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    Anyone Know anything about this club called Sempre Minardi?
    I have this article in F1 Racing about them
    It said that they had a sort of magazine for free...
    Anyone know how to reach them?
     
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    maybe in 05 will be no more minardi
     
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    I hope not, F1 needs the likes of Minardi <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    I'd say it's 25% the driver, (44% in Yoong's case) and 75% the car. Let's face it, Minardi don't have enough funds to actually win a race.
     
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    Sorry but not so sure about montoya he just pushes the car to much he needs to be more patient
     
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    yup i agree
     
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    ReeK, you said just what I have been trying to tell people the whole time I've been here, Thanks a lot! I said this in another thread, but I'll say it again. Ferrari is the biggest spender in Formula One, and spends over 420 million dollars a year. Toyota is the second biggest spender, and they spend over 370 million dollars a year on Formula One. This means that Ferrari has spend over 2.1 billion dollars on Formula One since 2000. The more money you have to spend, the better chances you have of making a better car, (with the exception of Toyota, but they are a new team, and will eventually learn how to make good Formula One cars.) I doubt that Minardi even has 100 million dollars to spend on making a good Formula One car. I've been to their web site, and it says that their 2004 car only has a six speed transmission, while most of the other Formula One cars have seven speed transmissions. I think that this probably has to do with why they have been loosing so much the past few years. If they had more money, then they could make a better car, and hire better drivers. However, this is probably not going to happen unless they start winning races. That's not going to happen until the new restrictions come into play for smaller engines until 2006. Hopefully things will start looking up for them then.
     

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