Is it the driver or the car?

Discussion in '1936 Maybach SW36' started by Omsirut, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Re: who doesnt like minardi?

    i think it would be so great if by some miracle minardi were to win a race. like if all the other cars got in a huge crash, and all that was left were the two minardi's. that would be the highlight of their entire existence. well we can all hope that one day this could happen, but if it proly won't so, go schumi!<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>Well, last year they started off with a totally new car, so it definately wasn't gonna be their best year. I think that they'll get better and better as time goes on (hopfully anyway). And of course i like em', they're Aussie owned and have an Aussie driver! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"></b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    and us new zealanders can always claim mclaren, <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"></b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Is McLaren CURRENTLY (or was it ever) a NZ team? I don't think so!!!! Do they have an NZ driver?? No!!! So It's clear that NZ have no claim to McLaren whatsoever!! <!-- Signature -->
     
  3. Re: who doesnt like minardi?

    Bruce McLaren was a Kiwi.<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. Re: who doesnt like minardi?

    carn the aussies. i was at albert park today and everyone there was bringing mark home. well done son! you and the team make oz proud. seeya on the podium soon!
     
  5. Re: who doesnt like minardi?

    I would take any one of the F1 cars.<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. Re: who doesnt like minardi?

    Does anyone know just how underpowered they are? I would guess about 30hp behind the second slowest.<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. Re: who doesnt like minardi?

    I heard that the acient asiatech engine has 770 bhp, which could be up to 100 bhp down on the BMW engine of Williams.
     
  8. how much HP do ya think it makes

    my guess is that it makes 780 HP considering that the elite teams (williams, mclaren, ferrari)make somewhere around 820 with the williams-bmw making the most outta all of them

    what happened to the good ol turbo days with tiny v6s and I4s making 1500HP they should bring the turbos back
     
  9. Re: how much HP do ya think it makes

    i'd agree,probably around 750-800 horsepower... but not that it really matters... since u'll never see one of these drivin down the street... unless stallone makes a sequel... god forbid<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. Re: how much HP do ya think it makes

    my guess is 700-750hp
     
  11. Re: how much HP do ya think it makes

    the new AsiaTech unit makes approx. 800 bhp, while the Ferrari makes 840 bhp in the best chassis, the Mercedes 850 bhp and the BMW between 855-860 bhp, being the most powerful engine. the least powerful are the Cosworth and Toyota engines coming in at a touch under 800bhp. <!-- Signature -->
     
  12. Re: how much HP do ya think it makes

    no way. the bmw engine is the most powerful at 845 hp, not 860 while the ferrari and the mercedes engine are about 835-840. i would say this car is about 820hp. hte mercedes engine has the highest revving engine. it makes around 18500 rpm.
     
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    <b>my guess is that it makes 780 HP considering that the elite teams (williams, mclaren, ferrari)make somewhere around 820 with the williams-bmw making the most outta all of them

    what happened to the good ol turbo days with tiny v6s and I4s making 1500HP they should bring the turbos back</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    It would be CRAZY to do that, especially with the kind of aerodynamics modern F1 cars run, it would be dangerously fast. Back in the turbo days, the cars were less slick through the air.<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. Re: how much HP do ya think it makes

    Not true! BMW's make the highest rpm's.
    And the guy who said that Cosworth has the least HP isn't telling the truth either. Why do you think Jos Verstappen says he is only going to Minardi iff they get a new engine for next year!? At the American F1 Minardi wil say if they are going to race with a Cosworth or a Ferrari engine.
     
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    in terms of engine power
    1.Williams
    2.ferrari
    3.mclaren
    Minardi probably has somewhere between the 780-810 range. Williams is near the 900 mark while mclaren are somewhere around 850 since ron said they're 2002 engine has 40 more hp than the 2001s car which only had 810. ferrari lies in between.
     
  16. Re: who doesnt like minardi?

    i wouldnt give up hope on the minardis yet. They always manage to hang on. unlike arrows...i think arrows are gone for now because of Tom walkinshaw who screwed the whole team over. Ferrari offered minardi for year old engines as well. but i doubt they can find the fundings at the moment. but minardi will be using the current cosworth engines that the arrows team are using. its better than the current crappy asia tech engines.
     
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    For the race engines those numbers are close, for the Qualifying engine oyu are off. In the race the BMW is making around 850 with the ferrari and mclaren coming in at a touch under 845. In the race the highest revving engine is the BMW at 18500 not the mclaren, that is the qualifying speed for the mclaren, but if you watch the telemetry the BMW won't rev higher then 18.4 on the straight even at monza. For Qaulifying the horspower for the BMW is around 890 the ferrari is about 850 and the McLaren 845-850. The highest revving engine is the BMW at 19550 rpm. And regarding the best chassis title has to go to the mclaren, the only problem is the engine and chassis dont' work very well together and teh Michelin tires are really meant for the Williams. The ferrari has the best setup. Everything was made for it, the tires and the engien where made just for it.
     
  18. Re: who doesnt like minardi?

    yes.
     
  19. Re: how much HP do ya think it makes

    The amount of horse power that is churned out by the AsiaTech engine is immaterial. The fact in engineering is not "How Much" but "How Well". In this case too, the question should be how well has the engine performed and not how much horse power or torque it can produce. The same engine given to me or any other mere mortal would barely function to be a formula 1 capable machine.
    With all that I have said I conclude that it is not important to judge or guess its power but it is important to gauge it by its capabalities and its achievments, which have been pretty amazing given their financial strains.
     
  20. Re: how much HP do ya think it makes

    The 2002 mclaren engines are actually very close to 19000. I think it was haug or ron dennis who said their engine was reving 18600-18800 revs at the indianapolis gp. All the hp numbers right now are not true facts. They get an idea of how much hp the cars get by some formula i forgot. You take the revs and divide it by some other number and blah blah blah. hahaha i cant remember what it was because i read it in another forum. Anyways, the seasons over, just looking forward to next year.
     
  21. Re: how much HP do ya think it makes

    No you're way wrong.
    Asiatech - 710
    Honda - 845
    Renault - 835
    Mercedes - 820
    Toyota - 850
    Ferrari - 860
    Petronas - 830
    BMW - 890
    Cosworth - 830
     
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    Anyone Know anything about this club called Sempre Minardi?
    I have this article in F1 Racing about them
    It said that they had a sort of magazine for free...
    Anyone know how to reach them?
     
  23. Re: who doesnt like minardi?

    Anyone Know anything about this club called Sempre Minardi?
    I have this article in F1 Racing about them
    It said that they had a sort of magazine for free...
    Anyone know how to reach them?
     
  24. Re: Is it the driver or the car?

    Anyone Know anything about this club called Sempre Minardi?
    I have this article in F1 Racing about them
    It said that they had a sort of magazine for free...
    Anyone know how to reach them?
     
  25. Re: IS ANY ONE GETTING SICK OF CARTS?

    Anyone Know anything about this club called Sempre Minardi?
    I have this article in F1 Racing about them
    It said that they had a sort of magazine for free...
    Anyone know how to reach them?
     

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