Israel and water

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by nissanman, Aug 7, 2006.

  1. On the current Israel-Palestine, and Lebanese, situation we have most on the right arguing its Islamic terrorism that is cause of the problem, while the left will argue its Israeli aggression. However it amazes me that neither side ever looks at the issue of water, which in Israel is an ever increasing concern, as is with the Middle East as a whole.

    Sixteen senior Israeli hydrologists reported that the nation is consuming water reserves 15 percent faster than they can replenish it each year (Jerusalem Post), and on average consume about 10 times more than the Palestinians in the occupied territories, and 2 to 3 times more than Lebanon and Jordan.

    The West Bank is one of the main areas for water, and about 80 to 90 percent of it is used by Israel, providing about 30 to 40 percent of Israel’s total water supply. The fear now of releasing the West Bank to the control of the Palestinians is releasing control of the Water reserves. Even if an agreement can be made, Palestinians will be faced with a sharp increase in population when, as agreed by Bush and Sharon, the Palestinian refugees return to the West Bank and Gaza. Palestinians will need to provide for their own people before they can give anything to Israel, which will result in a serious shortage in water for Israel. A quote from the Ministry of Agriculture in Israel has said, “it is difficult to conceive of any political solution consistent with Israel’s survival that does not involve complete, continued Israeli control of water and sewerage systems, and of the associated infrastructure, including power supply and road network, essential to their operation, maintenance and accessibility” (Jerusalem Post).

    This brings us to the only other potential source of water for Israel, the Litani River, and the recent invasion of Lebanon. Israel from the beginning has been advocating that the Litani River is, and should be, a natural boarder with Lebanon. Chaim Weizmann, head of the World Zionist Organization, pushed from 1919 and 1920 that Lebanon already enjoyed enough water, and than the Litani River should be given to Israel. After the invasion of 1982, Israeli army engineers did surveys in Southern Lebanon to determine the optimum place for a diversion tunnel of Litani River, and shortly after establishing a security zone, Israel prohibited any drilling of wells in the area.

    If anyone has bothered to read this, all I’m trying to get to you is an understanding of other reasons Israel has for occupying the West Bank and the three invasions of Southern Lebanon, besides desire for land or trying to eliminate terrorist groups. The West Bank is going to be an interesting situation because I too don’t see how Israel can relinquish and real control over it. At the same time, trying to annex the territory would spell political disaster. In regards to the Litani River, it does not appear likely that Israel will be content until they can secure some access to the Litani River. Those who may disagree with this point, just remember is it just a coincidence that the purposed security zone is the area up to the Litani river.
     
  2. It is absolutely ridiculous that in this day and age, adequate water supplies are still an issue.
     
  3. I find it highly unlikely that Israel would ever reliquish such control of its water supply to anyone, let alone the Palestinians.
     
  4. If you truly believe that then you need to take a closer look at the Middle East. Besides Israel, Lebanon, Jordan, and Palestine you should look at Turkey, Syria, and Iraq.
     
  5. Why can't they desalinate sea water?
     
  6. If you were truly as intelligent as you would try to sound, then you would illustrate the example and provide some reasoning and hopefully facts that support this line of argument.

    Water has always been a key part of the survival equation for Israel. That really hasn't changed much since 48. Most of us know that Syrian attempts to divert water away from Israel were a contributing factor to the Six Days War. The fact of the matter though is that Israel is a rich country it can afford to buy water or undertake costly desalination programs. Geopolitical survival and Security are the paramount problems for Israel. They supercede all other concerns. Water is one facet of security and survival, but dealing with terrorist scum like Hezbollah is a bit higher up on the list.
     
  7. They could, but it's expensive.
     
  8. Quebec FTW. you all suck and shall starve to death.
     
  9. Only because you stole/steal the land/water/power from the Indians <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
  10. hahaha! their main argument indeed <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/disappointed.gif"></A>
     
  11. Nice Avatar!


    The IDF really has Urban combat down... Send in the D9 Killdozers.
     
  12. /would need nuclear power stations to be able to supply such power.
    and thats probably not gonna happen.
     
  13. So far the IDF vs. Hezballah kill ratio is quite pathetic (2:1? 3:1? in terms of actual fighters: the vast majority of Israeli kills have been civilians). Israel is used to outright slaughter in its past military campaigns, and their showing has also been very poor by the standards of Western insurgent fighting (probably says more about Hezbolah's preparedness/professionalism tho...)
     
  14. Re: this, I'm sure the West would help Israel w/ desalination if that would facilitate relinquishing the occupied territories (it's already been proved feasible in the region). At the same time Israel obviously needs to re-calibrate its water consumption to what's reasonable in the region (somehow their neighbours do with far less).
     
  15. Their neighbors do with far less b/c their neighbors are all third world countries, while Israel is a first world country.
     
  16. De-sal is the way they should go. The Saudis do it hardcore and it's just fine. They're actually making the ocean too salty near their big cities, which is a problem, but Israel is a much smaller country with a much smaller population. Hence they shouldn't have that problem.
     

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