Israel prepares to deal with Iran

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by FerrariAKL, Jan 22, 2006.

  1. Ahh, but as P996T is always saying about Iran, the people in a country never support anything negative a leader does. you say directly in your post that it was a terrorist attack, not an attack by a country. Isreal is not responsible for the former acts of the people governing it, although he wasnt a good choice as a leader.
     
  2. Myabe because you are a dolt and because you are not liked. Seriously who likes you?
     
  3. Lots of very knowledgable people believe 9/11 was a coverup. do you?

    you've just told me how the US is always supporting Isreal, why do you think a deliberate attack would be performed on a US ship? it was a case of mistaken identity, it happens all the frickin time in war. I ask again, was the bombing of the canadian soldiers (who had reported into position and it was known to base that there were friendlys there) deliberate? mistakes happen.
     
  4. You only know to repeat what the others say, tells about how you are opinionated. But I am not astonished, someone who has the personality of a stinking shistain and a nobrainer will always remain like that, this is your case. You need the assitance of someone for walking because you are a #$%#ing handicapped piece of shit. Shut the #$%# up, Mr Putin
     
  5. seriously, the jews always kick ass with way less forces than the opposition. Some of the other stuff they've tried to stick to isreal (1 friendly fire incident and one terrorist bombing not performed by isreal) are interesting, but why the hell would they pick the YK war to insult the isrealis? they #$%#in kicked the arabs ass, again.
     
  6. i still don't see any convincing arguments, im going to write my exam now
     
  7. i have no idea why anyone was using the YK war to talk smack on Israel. that war was clear evidence of what would happen if the middle east were left to its own devices, and it also shows what israel is capable of doing, and why it rocks the house.
     
  8. No one with any "vast" knowledge on the subject believe there was a coverup.
     
  9. People need to lay off Israel's case, they arn't perfect but at least they don't hold other nations' embassies hostage, hang people for being gay, or blow up someones' Marine barracks with suicide bombers during peacetime for no apparent reason.
     
  10. Absolutely true and it is for me the only true democracy in the whole Middle East who respects human rights.
     
  11. seriously, iran is way more #$%#ed up than isreal.
     
  12. You still never fail to make me want to kill you.
     
  13. Oh really. You never ceased to amaze me by believing in a failure like John Kerry. Maybe the rope or the 500s&w is a solution for your own problems.
     
  14. I really missed our little spats.
     
  15. How are things?
     
  16. Could be better. I'm living life single again. Howabout you?
     
  17. I am sorry to hear. Tired and busy lol
     
  18. word
     
  19. #144 Blitzschnell, Jan 24, 2006
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    Yes, targeted assassination is criticizable.

    One of the problems with assassinations carried out by the IDF and other Israeli organizations is that innoncent bystanders are often killed as a result. That's what happened on July 22, 2002. In bombing the suspected hideout of known Hamas leader Salah Shehadeh, they succeeded in killing him along with 17 innocent civilians, 11 of them children. But I guess that can be expected when you drop a one-ton bomb on an apartment complex that you know is occupied by several innocent Arab families. No one was brought to justice for it. It is things like these that spawn terrorists. I know that I would sure as hell be angry if a government-ordered attack killed an innocent family member of mine.

    Another problem is the fact that, sometimes, the targeted person is guilty of no crime and had nothing to do with the attack for which the assassination is being carried out. Consider what happened on July 21, 1973. In retaliation for the 11 Israeli atheletes killed in Munich in 1972, Mossad agents targeted Ali Hassan Salameh, one of the leaders of Black September. Believing that they had located him, they shot and killed Ahmed Bouchiki, an innocent Arab waiter living in Lillehammer, Norway. It is true that the Mossad agents responsible for killing him went to prison for murder, but that doesn't change the fact that a completely innocent person was killed in a government-ordered assassination because of faulty intelligence. Had Mossad arrested their targets, put them on trial and then executed them, it never would have happened.

    Targeted assassinations completely ignore the judicial system in that people are executed without even being told what they have done, let alone being given a chance to argue their side of the case. The fact that innocent people are often killed in the process only makes it worse.
     
  20. #145 Blitzschnell, Jan 24, 2006
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    I'm not denying that Egypt and Syria had a lot of support from surrounding Arab countries. That would be stupid. But you need to keep in mind just how inferior the militaries of those countries (and those of Egypt and Syria) were to the Israeli military, who had long been receiving considerable aid from the United States. Numbers aren't everything in warfare.

    The Soviets did NOT help the Arabs in any way that could even slightly be compared with how the United States helped Israel, nor did they have any interest in seeing the Arabs win. In fact, the Soviet Union did everything in its power to keep the Arabs from waging warfare on the Israelis, in that they did not want more hostility with the United States.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

    "The role of the great powers, too, was a major factor in the outcome of the two wars. The policy of the Soviet Union was one of the causes of Egypt's military weakness. While the U.S. and other allied nations supplied Israel with the most up-to-date assault weapons in the world, the Russians supplied Egypt only with defensive weaponry, and then only with great reluctance. Indeed, President Nasser was only able to obtain the material for an anti-aircraft missile defense wall after having visited Moscow and pleaded with the Kremlin leaders. He claimed that if supplies were not given, he would have to return to Egypt and tell the Egyptian people Moscow had abandoned them, and then relinquish power to one of his peers who would be able to deal with the Americans. The Americans would then have the upper hand in the region, which Moscow could not permit.

    One of Egypt's undeclared objectives of the War of Attrition was to force the Soviet Union to supply Egypt with more advanced arms and war materiel. It was felt that the only way to convince the Soviet leaders of the deficiencies of most of the aircraft and air defense weaponry they had supplied to Egypt following 1967 was to put them to the test against the advanced weaponry which the U.S. had supplied to Israel.

    Nasser's policy following the 1967 defeat conflicted with that of the Soviet Union. The Soviets sought to push Egypt towards a peaceful solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. At all costs they wanted to avoid a new conflagration between the Arabs and Israelis so as not to be drawn into a confrontation with the United States. The reality of the situation became apparent when the superpowers met in Oslo and agreed to maintain the status quo. This was unacceptable to Egyptian leaders, and when it was discovered that the Egyptian preparations for crossing the canal were being leaked, it became imperative to expel the Russians from Egypt. In July 1972 Sadat expelled almost all of the 20,000 Soviet military advisors in the country and reoriented the country's foreign policy to be more favourable to the United States.

    The Soviets thought little of Sadat's chances in any war. They warned that any attempt to cross the heavily fortified Suez would incur massive losses. The Soviets, who were then pursuing Detente, had no interest in seeing the Middle East destabilized. In a June 1973 meeting with U.S. President Richard Nixon, Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev had proposed Israel pull back to its 1967 border. Brezhnev said that if Israel did not, "we will have difficulty keeping the military situation from flaring up"—an indication that the Soviet Union had been unable to restrain Sadat's plans. (Rabinovich, 39)"

    I'm well aware that it was/is the interest of the United States to help Israel. That has nothing to do with my argument. The fact of the matter is that the Yom Kippur War shut down Israel's feeling of invincibility following the Six Day War of 1967. Without US intervention, there's a good chance Israel would have lost the war.
     
  21. How does criticizing Israel equate to hating Jews? The author of "How Israel Lost" (from which I get a lot of material for criticizing Israel), Richard Ben Cramer, is a Jew. Don't believe for a second that all Jews are fervent supporters of Israel, or that criticizing Israel offends all Jews. And certainly don't believe that I hate Jews. Seinfeld is one of my favorite TV shows. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  22. I never disagreed with this.
     
  23. They will probably just blockade the country (if this hasnt been already said)
     
  24. Thankfully, I'm not P996T. Israel certainly isn't responsible for a terrorist attack carried out 30 years ago. It is, however, responsible for ignoring that attack and electing the leader of the terrorist organization that carried it out as Prime Minister of their country.
     
  25. I've never heard a knowledgable person call 9/11 a coverup, so I can't really comment. When's the last time you saw a show on the History Channel with educated people arguing that it was a coverup? There have been a few about the JFK assassination.

    P996T brought up the US ship thing, not me. I don't know nearly enough about it to claim that some Israelis deliberately attacked the ship, although I'm not saying that it isn't a possibility.
     

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